Sanguinarius Discussion 2009-08-25

Written by: Sanguinarius
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"Log of the August 25, 2009 discussion in #Sanguinarius during which participants mostly discussed their symptoms and effects they attributed to extended non-feeding."

Discussion

Sanguinarius: Welcome to #Sanguinarius's scheduled topic discussion. Discussion is moderated so please stick to the currently discussed topic. We've got quite a turnout so this is very important to maintain order and minimize mass confusion!
Sanguinarius: I'll post the topic we'll be discussing and then we'll discuss that. Then we'll go on to part 2, and so on. The main topic tonight is:
Sanguinarius: The Possible Effects of Extended Non-Feeding.
Sanguinarius: 1. How long have you gone without feeding?
Sanguinarius: I have gone several years without feeding regularly and using subsitutes
isabellerose: a year after i awakened
Masticina: as Psi vampire I been "not actively" feeding for I guess 4-5 months the most
Masticina: luckily they had a big party at the end of the year YUM
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: I constantly psi feed but this city is not a good place for that
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: mostly negative
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: I am tired all the time and am sick at the moment
SphynxCatVP: months at least, with everything going on in RL I kinda loose track
Adevarat: I use subs most of the time. It has been over a year since I last fed properly
hirudo: I've recently started feeding again after a fast of nearly six years.
hirudo: I don't use subs.
Fooln: about six months, not counting the time directly after my awakening.
Sanguinarius: wow, 6 years!
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: you cant ambient feed?
hirudo: Who? Me?
Sanguinarius: I can't
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: its not as good but I have a very high motabolism
Fooln: me neither.
SphynxCatVP: Not all sangs can work over to psi, JP
Sanguinarius: I mean, sometimes I'mn sure I must be but.......*shakes her head* I'm not sure
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: oh thats not good
Masticina: that you get with sanguiÅ› ugh you know that is a big long word
jyu_dragon: i am currently abstaining from sang feeding, 3 months thus far
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: I have no choice
AcrophobicPixie: Hirudo, you should look into the subs. they can be very helpfull
Sang-JIRC_newnickhere: is it possable not to have the ablity to ambient feed?
Sanguinarius: has anyone found it's gotten easier over time?
hirudo: Sangi-It's going to take me a long time to recover from the ill effects of not feeding for that long.
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: blood is a rarety has been about 6 months for me too
Adevarat: no for me it seems to be harder
Masticina: as you get more used to it you will have better control
Sanguinarius: *nods*
isabellerose: it dont get easier over time for me
VanArtsdalen2: I have found the blood lust gets easier over time if I'm not around people, but the ill effects do not.
Carfax: hm, round a bout 6 to 9 months, timespan i dont feel hunger increased since my awakening
jyu_dragon: i am a sexual sang
Masticina: but..it doesn changes a need
Sang-JIRC_newnickhere: my need tends to change alot
Fooln: at the time i was really miserable anyway, other reasons. i'm not quite sure what part of being miserable was the non-feeding, but it didn't get easier.
KrevZabijak: @JIRC - I do not have any psi/psy abilities whatsoever, and cannot feed consciously or subconsciously, so that's a solid yes to your question.
hirudo: Pixie- I don't need to use subs, never have. I deal with the Beast in other ways that I've mentioned on the VCMB.
KrevZabijak: @iyu_dragon: sexual sang, isn't that a tantric vampire?
* Sanguinarius thinks feeding from psi is different than feeding from blood
Sanguinarius: it feels different
isabellerose: alot diffrent
Masticina: I guess you are right sang :!
jyu_dragon: no, i can feed tantrically, but i dont
Masticina: I never have fed pranic, I heard it was..erm strong
Adevarat: it is very different to me. I can psi feed and still feel the blood hunger eating at me
Adevarat: hey Kroh
Fooln: i'm not good at psi feeding. but if it works, it just makes the whole thing more.. hm, bearable, the thirst doesn't quite go away.
isabellerose: i dunno, i never been good at Psi
Sanguinarius: *nod* it never quite goes away unless I get blood
Masticina: a vampire is a vampire is a vampire
SphynxCatVP: yea, pretty much
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: Amen
jyu_dragon: okays, i awakened 30years ago as sang
Sang-JIRC_newnickhere: i mainly psi feed,
VanArtsdalen2: That's what happens if I don't feed for a while. I'm very (very mildy empathic. My main energy comes from sanguine feeding.
Masticina: I am sure that I could food pranic
Sanguinarius: topic is: How long have you gone without feeding?
hirudo: Psi-feeding for sangs is on the same level as using subs, I think. It might quell the immediate 'itch' but it'll return fairly quickly.
Masticina: if I don feed I get mentally unstable :(
RoxxAnn: Greetings Sanguinarius
SphynxCatVP: all too quickly, sometimes
KrevZabijak: I've had various psi vampires push energy at/into me to try and refill whatever it is that's drained, but that never helps, so I assume that I am a sang that does not need their specific energy, if that energy even occurs in blood and can literally be fed on while drinking, who knows.
KrevZabijak: I've gone over a year without feeding
isabellerose: only way i find to sustain my thirst without feeding is deer blood tablets and steaks
Fooln: @isabellerose deer blood tablets?
Sang-JIRC_newnickhere: i have gone one month now with out feeding sang
Carfax: i tried to feed psi-like but couldnt, im quite good at shielding from it because one of my brothers is psi...but i just managed to do it
VanArtsdalen2: I've gone over a year without feeding. But I try not to go more then a few months.
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: they are coming out w/ an interesting drink that suposedly has blood in it but I find it hard to believe
jyu_dragon: never suffered from craving or thirst like that, but being hybrid might explain that
Sanguinarius: this is the main chat room
isabellerose: i'll get the link
Carfax: *didnt
RoxxAnn: I can't use tablets
diss: @Fooln, deer blood capsules are available over the internet, used by some as sub
isabellerose: www.greenhealth.co.nz
RoxxAnn: I can't use capsules
hirudo: I dunno if I'm the only one but I find animal blood disgusting. It's human or nothing for me.
LadyVittoria: I never heard of deer blood capsules beofre
Masticina: where is the life in "capsuled" blood?
Sang-JIRC_newnickhere: ???
isabellerose: a damn good sub for me lol
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: for the true blood epidemic
Sanguinarius: Father_JP_ChrstVampyre are you talking about True Blood? *hides a smile*
Carfax: @diss eeww, sounds not too tasty
Adevarat: I cant do animal blood either. Course I have 7 pets so that may be why
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: yes a drink
Fooln: wow, I didn't know about the capsules. thanks for the link
VanArtsdalen2: I couldn't imagine deer blood capsules helping very much, if at all.
Carfax: @diss but there is no tasty sub I thing at all
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: they say iut has blood in it?
isabellerose: its great , no good for energy tho
diss: @carfax, i wouldn't know myself, i'm a donor. i know several sangs who use them
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: true but it helps for the taste
LadyVittoria: Dark Greetings
Sang-JIRC_newnickhere: animal blood?? the clost i do to that is eat a steak
AcrophobicPixie: that's the thing with subs, though.. They take away a bit of the need, but don't really do much to alleviate the symptoms
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: I like V8 myself
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: and mochas
Sanguinarius: and to make things even more confusing, they have actually started to market a drink of some kinds CALLED True Blood (*bangs her head on the desk* which DOESN"T have real blood in it
isabellerose: v8 UGH!!!
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: chocolate milk
Masticina: sigh
LadyVittoria: someone offerd me a goblet with some fresh organic beef blood in it last night.. that was quite nice
Evtastic: Sorry for the delay: In regards to psi feeding, my light sensitivity, irritability and energy levels just hit the floor. And there isn't anything I can substitute for it. And ambient feeding just... deson't do it for me in that situation.
Adevarat: didnt it get cold
Fooln: I don't know if animal blood works for me, never tried it. I hope I won't have to.
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: but vegatables have minerals that help
Masticina: Poor Ev :!
isabellerose: fooln what bout rare steak
Sanguinarius: yes yes
Adevarat: let me clarify myself...I eat bloody steaks but I meant animal blood as in fresh
Carfax: @diss ah, ok. I just recommend drink of iron tablets, egg & milk. tastes aweful but helps a bit
Sang-JIRC_newnickhere415: this is my first irc chat so sorry if i mess up
isabellerose: i'd never have fresh animal blood, no matter how desprate
RoxxAnn: i'm not very worried about virus, as long as i feed mostly raw, all my intake, my immune system can take care of itself
hirudo: I tried fresh deer blood many many years ago- not very nice and it did nothing for me.
RoxxAnn: vegetables have carotenoids. my liver can't convert them. i'm missing enzymes. i need blood minerals
Fooln: @isabelle right, that helps a bit..
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: dead blood doesnt work for me anymore
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: used too
RK2: Sangi - length ive gone without feeding is 27 months - and im at 24 currently
Carfax: @+hiru just maybe wrong kind of prey
SphynxCatVP: heh!
Sanguinarius: What changes, discomforts and ailments, increased/decreased sensitivities, abilities, etc. have you experienced since you have not been feeding?
Fooln: @isabelle but i meant really fresh animal blood wothout the meat
Hank_Riker: Personally, I am now over 6 months since I last fed. At the moment I feel like crap, but that's just because I haven't had coffee yet. :-
RoxxAnn: iron tablets actually wind up lowering my blood iron. my immune system turns on it, and destroys some of my own red blood cells
Adevarat: extended periods of migraine, weakness, irritable, digestive upset
isabellerose: no, i couldnt hurt live animals myself
Adevarat: depression
isabellerose: just people
Sanguinarius: coffee -- the breakfast of champions! :D
Hank_Riker: Iron tablets are potentially dangerous for males, so I avoid them.
Carfax: @sang nervousness,insomnia, headache, bad mood,weakness
jyu_dragon: not used dead blood
Evtastic: heh. coffee and I don't mix. caffeine really messes with my system.
Carfax: something like that
VanArtsdalen2: I get headaches easily. I have stomach issues that get pretty bad (doctors can't figure it out, even had an MRI I'm tired more easily and sometimes uncharacteristically moody
RoxxAnn: i can eat fresh animal meat with the blood. i don't have to have blood alone
Adevarat: yeah I have no enegy most of the time for no physical reason
VanArtsdalen2: *Correction MRI was for my wrist lawl, I meant ultra sound
hirudo: Sangi-Hold on, it's a fairly lengthy list........
Sanguinarius: I get low energy levels, .sometimes I can't even get out of bed for all I'm worth. Also, lack of concentraqtion
RoxxAnn: coffee doesn't help me for more than a couple of hours, then i'm worse than before
Masticina: I question
Masticina: how much research has been done in "before feeding" and "after feeding"
Masticina: I mean stories like that within a day someone returns to healthy status..within the freaking day after feelding
Evtastic: I did have my energy deficiency checked out by my doctor and my nutricional levels looked great. Best she's seen actually, for sheer irony.
Sanguinarius: insomnia too
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: energy drinks
Adevarat: does anyone else get the depression as bad as I do? or am I weird?
SphynxCatVP: Effects: Chronic pain, distractable mind (*drools* sorry, what?, tired, sleep like shit, and to a degree, some depressive moments
SphynxCatVP: frankly, didn't know depression would have been linked to nonfeeding until I fed recently and it went away... so that was a surprise to me
Sanguinarius: I think not much!
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: it helps my human side recover some but not for long
isabellerose: i used to averarat before i moved
Sanguinarius: Masticina, I think not much!
isabellerose: suicidal and the works :(
VanArtsdalen2: @Adevarat I've been depressed but I can not be sure enough to relate it to anything vampires.
Sanguinarius: I have depression for a number of years
RoxxAnn: Before I woke up, I was diagnose with Mixed Connective Tissue Disorder and was heading down from there.
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: lack of feeding
Fooln: I get moody, but the main thing is feeling really weak and hungry. I can't eat normal anymore then, food often makes me feel sick (maybe I eat too much or not enough.. don't know
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: causes depression
isabellerose: no mine wasn't related to vamps either so i'll shut up lol!
Sanguinarius: it's not been "as bad" the past few years, mainly because I take a good antidepressant, but it's not "good"
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: mood swings too
RK2: see, thats something ive noted - a lot of vamps get depressed easily - but speaking for myself, it takes a lot more than vampirism and its wonderful tidbits to get me out and out depressed.
jyu_dragon: headache becoming migraine, bad mood becomes rip the head off anyone that comes near
Sanguinarius: mood swings, sound familiar
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: mine are very bad
SphynxCatVP: I have other family members with depression - in comparison, they're on medication and I'm not.... so I do a bit better than the family average, I think
SphynxCatVP: I seem to be more introspective than most of my blood relations, so that's probably got some to do with it as well
VanArtsdalen2: Oh yeah Fooln made me remember. When I don't feed I get hungry. It's like I'm always hungry too. I can eat and get full but it's like five minutes later i'm hungry again. It's terrible.
Adevarat: noone else in my family has depression
Sanguinarius: I narrowly avrted a migraine the other night.
SphynxCatVP: Ugh, yea, been there
RoxxAnn: When I don't feed for a couple of weeks, my chest starts hurting. After I start to feed I sneeze a really nice sneaze and the pain goes away shortly after.
Adevarat: I live on excedrine migraine :(
Masticina: I see sphynx
Fooln: *nods* @vanartsdalen
Masticina: I rather not get any type of mental changing medicine.. :!
SphynxCatVP: me neither
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: I dont take headache meds but probly should
RK2: how many of us here have learned to avoid migranes and most headahes?
KrevZabijak: I can't handle the caffeine in Excedrin.
VanArtsdalen2: I wish I could use excedrine or something but those types of things never seem to help.
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: I dont like chemicals
Masticina: sometimes I take headache pills :!
lady_aliana274: trying to catch up... (smile
Masticina: but really I don't like playing with my bodies chemical levels
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: I like herbals
Adevarat: I HATE pills but I hate the migraines worse so the pills win
jyu_dragon: i got H1N1 because i am experimenting with not sang feeding, my immune responce is depressed
KrevZabijak: @ subs :: I have no substitutes. Nothing is a substitute for the real thing. I do have a beast 'tranquilizer', is making tea out of kratom leaf. That is the one and only thing that's worked for me in the past ... six years.
RoxxAnn: Other foods, yes, there's never enough, and they don't satisfy my body.
Sanguinarius: I have to be careful of what I can take nowadays because of all the medicines I'm on since my heart surgery
RoxxAnn: Never enough as even in quantities that are too large for me.
KrevZabijak: What, you have h1n1 swine flu?
KrevZabijak: Seriously?
RoxxAnn: With blood I don't need much, and hunger gone
* Sanguinarius suspects that, though she has a pre-exisiting condition, it's exacerbated by having not fed.
Carfax: I experienced kinda change. when i feel a lack of blood im much more into picking up people, like my body & subconcious know what Im lacking, even if Im not into the mood for flirting etc.
SphynxCatVP: yea, I'm sure it doesn't help
Sanguinarius: that is, things that probably would have happened in my late 40s and early 50s happened in my late 30s
Sanguinarius: I don't KNOW this ,though
Sanguinarius: hey sp00ky and Luciana
Fooln: @carfax hungry eyes, eh?
vampraine: sorry if i missed it but what about animal blood?
Sanguinarius: What changes, discomforts and ailments, increased/decreased sensitivities, abilities, etc. have you experienced since you have not been feeding?
SphynxCatVP: KrevZabijak, with all due respect, most doctors I've dealt with wouldn't know a sick patient if they barfed on their shoes
Sanguinarius: eww lol
KrevZabijak: Then I'm sorry for you.
RK2: graphic, sphynx
Carfax: @fool something like that lol
SphynxCatVP: but true, sadly
yo_babe: what happens after more longterm abstence? is it possible to die from lack of blood feeding? *worried*
KrevZabijak: @yo Can't die.
Masticina: I dunno about that babe
isabellerose: my answer.......... ive just felt myself reverting back to the way i felt in the past
AcrophobicPixie: Krev, if you add all the other countries together, then yeah, but on a country by country basis, we have oodles compared to others
Adevarat: you wont die...you just will feel like crap forever
Masticina: it can lead to a higher chance on body troubles though
isabellerose: to me if you dont feed, you feel as you did before you awakened
VanArtsdalen2: The sun Sangi. I wish it were turn offable... I went to WA for a week came back home (OR and I could barely leave the house during the days for the next week because of how much the sun bothers my eyes.
Masticina: michelle belangers heart problem for instance
jyu_dragon: i am in the clinical research industry
KrevZabijak: @isabellerose Very very good way to put it!
Adevarat: yeah and like if I feed, my digestive problems go away for awhile
KrevZabijak: @van: Get a good opthamologist.
RKCoon: *bites off comment for a later date*
Sanguinarius: has anyone gotten LESS sensitive?
Adevarat: then come back with a vengence if I dont
Masticina: truez, if I feed I feel..well better just more in balance and so on
Evtastic: @Masticina Michelle identifies as a sanguine vamp?
Masticina: I hardly get sick to..
Sanguinarius: less able to see at night?
isabellerose: ta krev
Masticina: Michelle Belanger is a psy vampire
KrevZabijak: I thought Belanger said she wasn't sang
Sanguinarius: burn less easilky?
Nitallica: I thought she was psy
SphynxCatVP: Evtastic > Uh, not last I knew
Masticina: but a vampire is a vampire
Fooln: my sensitivity doesn't really change @sangi
KrevZabijak: I hate that damned 'v' word.
SphynxCatVP: lol
Evtastic: @Masticina, just clarifying. I know she's not.
LadyVittoria: If I don't feedpsi I find it harder to pull energy from psi feeding... I use very rare staeks for blood usually as I haven't had a human donor for nearly a decade
SphynxCatVP: I gave up caring about the v-word
Xalpharis: Caring is sharing.
KrevZabijak: I never will unless I get a forced paradigm shift.
vampraine: if i go too long i can not eat anything else
SphynxCatVP: I have gotten less photosensitive if I go long periods without feeding
SphynxCatVP: well, relatively speaking... I'm still pretty damn photosensitive, but I won't feel like I'm gonna sunburn in 5 minutes
isabellerose: the v word is the wrong name for us but one we cant shed :(
VanArtsdalen2: I don't mind the word. I just mind people's reactions to the use of the word in addition to the word real.
LadyVittoria: I find if I don't feed in some way, eating anything is difficult
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: if you say so
Masticina: the word vampire sticks to us like dirty underwear
RoxxAnn: I've always had problems withn the sun, eyes, skin, feeding helps some, but not for long
Adevarat: has anyone ever gained weight from trying to eat everything else to curb the hunger when unable to feed? or is it just me
Nitallica: we're not "vampires" ... we're "special"
obayifo: i agree with that
Masticina: hey I dn want to be called an "indigo" or a "wendigo"
Sanguinarius: good analogy Masticina
SphynxCatVP: lol
Sang-JIRC_newnickhere: I get super tired and irratable and just fly off the handle
Sanguinarius: wb RK
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: Im not speacial
VanArtsdalen2: Me too Adeverat xD
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: lol
RKCoon: oops
Masticina: hehe I did get the brownish skin of the siblings
Masticina: ..but yes my eyes..sunglass territory
SphynxCatVP: cranky, yea, I definitely get cranky without feeding... I try to be aware of it since I know it doesn't HELP
vampraine: i just vomit everything else til i get blood
Nitallica: if I get any lighter, I'll glow in the dark :p
Adevarat: out in the sun causes me nausea, shakes and weakness followed by headaches.
LadyVittoria: lol Nitallica
Nitallica: can thank my ancestors for that one
RKCoon: Krev - why do you hate the word vamp?
Masticina: mmm once I was in disneyland
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: I dont hate it
Masticina: after .. I guess.. 1,5 day of being there I really was getting sick of that sun
Sanguinarius: What changes, discomforts and ailments, increased/decreased sensitivities, abilities, etc. have you experienced since you have not been feeding?
RoxxAnn: feeding can help me stablize my weight, get back to what i should be
jyu_dragon: suffers from acute phototoxicity - not vamparic
LunaCarmesi: yes, with help i have finally made it here, lol
SphynxCatVP: I was never much of a sunbunny, so it's not a big loss for me, lol
Adevarat: welcome
RoxxAnn: sun drains me
Nitallica: lol, my hubby and I honeymoon at Disney World ... I prepared with extra migraine meds and LOTS of sunblock!
RoxxAnn: sun drained my mom
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: I won't let certain organisations and such take it away
LadyVittoria: I burn in the sun easily whether I feed or not
Masticina: usefull Nitallica
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: just change the spelling a little LOL
Sang-JIRC_newnickhere: i love the sun, but it hates me most days
Adevarat: well it causes issues with me. I have horses who need working. I have to wait until the sun is low to setting and we have no arena lights
AcrophobicPixie: I have noticed that my brother gets more cranky when he's not fed in a long time. My vamp has flare ups in the autoimmune disease she has
Masticina: my stomach is a weak thing..
RKCoon: i dont deal with it enough to generally worry about fortuneately
Fooln: If I didn't think the word vampire fits for me, I wouldn't use it.
Masticina: but usually it is in in fine order..if I am well fed
Sanguinarius: I feel as though a heat lamp is radiating down on me from a clsoe distance, but I don't get that bad of a burn. I used to burn so bad I'd peel when I was a little kid
jyu_dragon: my eyes are genetic
LunaCarmesi: i have always burned in the sun and headaches get the best of me, which causes stomach problems as well
Masticina: now if I am fed and I don't need to feed..I am less sensitive
Sanguinarius: greetings TheMysticalCursedAlchemist
Masticina: but once I go hungry I begin to pick up energies again
TheMysticalCursedAlchemist: hello
Nitallica: I never had stomach probs until just a few years ago
RoxxAnn: to help me with sun, i need to feed 3x / day + not eat regular foods
LadyVittoria: my sun sensitivity gradually worsened the older I got.. when I was a kid I tanned well
Nitallica: had gall bladder removed last month
Adevarat: I havent tested it. I dont know if feeding will up my tolerance to the sun
SphynxCatVP: I never tanned
* SphynxCatVP shrugs
Masticina: hehe If I get to fat I get sick nita, then it all gets out and after 2-3 days I am slimmer again
Nitallica: stomach problem solved :D
isabellerose: wynne this is alot of the vamps form facebook and the vcmb
KrevZabijak: Fibro/pain gets worse, the daily constant migraine I've had since February 2008 gets even more intense, photosensitivity flares up more often (When I feed, it goes away completely and I can drive without sunglasses. Sleep is horrible, not feeding certainly affects alpha-delta wave intrusion during sleep
isabellerose: and other places,
jyu_dragon: sun tan is for squids
vampraine: i cant do anything i can when im well fed i cant do my art or write or focus at all
SphynxCatVP: lol
Sanguinarius: yeah, when I was a kid, I'd have to burn in order to tan
AcrophobicPixie: Sphynxie, you're like me and glow in the dark?
VanArtsdalen2: I have a question. Some people say they get more tired when having not fed. Do you mean you sleep a lot more or is it just your body that's tired? For example, I get tired but I have trouble sleeping.
RoxxAnn: i can't do sun lamps
isabellerose: their talking about lack of feeding
SphynxCatVP: Pixie - Yea, something like that, lol
KrevZabijak: I eat much much less, to the point of not feeling hungry for 24 to 72 hours straight.
Masticina: hell sunning? I did made a hole in the sand and tried to hide when going "to the beach" with the family
Masticina: ugh and they didn't understand
LunaCarmesi: i know i have always had stomach issues, headaches, sensitivity to sunlight, never once have doctors found anything wrong
Falstaff: I'm quite fond of the sun, and spend as much time in it as possible.
hirudo: For the first year I suffered Classic migraines on an almost weekly basis, and then I had a nervous breakdown/depression for which I was put on an SSRI for. Quit taking it after a month though. After about two years I sudffered panic attacks and my muscloskeletal problems started, along with my digestive problems.At about this time I started to have memory problems too. Extra problems added themselves as time went by. By the time I decided to feed
hirudo: car exhausts and perfume/deoderant were triggering headaches and sneezing. That last problem disappeared after my first feed, which was brilliant!
lady_aliana274: i dunno it anyone has this problem but I am overweight and everything I eat just goes right through me. not meaning to gross anyone out here. food is not my friend.
Masticina: same here luna..well not headaches
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: I sleep too much from lack of feeing though i dont sleep easily
LunaCarmesi: i feel my body is tired and weak, as well as being weak minded when i do not feed
Adevarat: I tired as in no energy to do anything but I cannot sleep well either
Wynne: i do not sleep well as it is, some night im lucky if i get 5 hours and others im lucky if i get 3 hrs, your body is just psysically tired
$1: I get weak-tired and I do have extreme trouble sleeping.
AcrophobicPixie: krev, if you've had a migraine since 2000, have you had a head CT?
LadyVittoria: I burned to tan as a kid too... but now I do not really tan much at all .. can't be in the sun long enolugh to find out either
KrevZabijak: Yes. It came back clean.
Wynne: but if i havent fed in forever the tirdness gets worse
Fooln: @van I also get more tired but have trouble sleeping (more than usual
* Nitallica has migraines "with the works" aura, blurry vision, motion sickness, hallucinations, phantom smells, light/sound/temp sensitivity, ....
KrevZabijak: Also had cervical and lumbar MRIs, came back clean as well.
LunaCarmesi: i agree Father JP...i do sleep, but i am always tossing and turning and wake 3-4 times
RoxxAnn: lol i used to hide in holes in the sand too when with family at the beach
Carfax: @Vanartsdalen i feel like...waking up at morning and dont have a coffee to clear your head
lady_aliana274: lol
Masticina: see Roxx I did too and they wouldn't understand
LadyVittoria: me too Luna
lady_aliana274: wow you guys type fast.........
LunaCarmesi: it gets to the point caffiene does no good anymore
Masticina: well hell it wasn their eyes being blinded
Wynne: i HAVE to have coffee in the morning or im a bear
RoxxAnn: we have to talk masticina
vampraine: wow this goes soooo fast
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: energy drink
RKCoon: Dr Pepper is God.
* Nitallica is addicted to tea :)
Sanguinarius: coffee is a must
RKCoon: XDD
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: Im addicted to them lol
Wynne: coffee equals a happy me
LunaCarmesi: i prefer the Amp energy drinks, lol
LadyVittoria: coffe.. coffee.. and more coffeee
Wynne: and a happy me equals happy and safe other people
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: or im exhausted
RoxxAnn: no amount of sunscreen is enough
jyu_dragon: lives on redbull
hirudo: Argh,all that writing disappeared!
Merticus: Coffee is the cure for everything
Adevarat: I cant drink energy drinks...too much sugar
lady_aliana274: ahhhh coffee.
LadyVittoria: yes merticus
Adevarat: coffee is Gods gift
Masticina: no troubles roxxann
lady_aliana274: takes a sip
LunaCarmesi: ah, besides sunlight and lack of sleep, i find when i don't feed, i feel empty, depressed, weak and physically achey
VanArtsdalen2: eew coffee and energy drinks are gross xD I prefer the old fashioned... soda.
Wynne: haha
Nitallica: sugar is good
AcrophobicPixie: Mert, we know you're addicted :P
Wynne: i fel depressed and empty
RoxxAnn: i need to walk on shady side of street, parasol, hat glasses. indoors even with shades down i get headaches til the sun goes down
Sanguinarius: Fortunately, I haven't had a migraine since I had my open heart surgery last July *knocks on wood* though I almost got one a couple nights ago
TheMysticalCursedAlchemist: brb going on other comp
LunaCarmesi: too much sugar is no good for the body either...the crash is hard, at least for me
isabellerose: <--- getting distracted, sorry
* Nitallica hugs Sangi
Wynne: :P
Adevarat: thats good Sangi
lady_aliana274: i love soda but I have kidney stones...argh
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: always distracted
KrevZabijak: @Sang : I'm glad that went well
vampraine: anybody try sobe blood shots
Nitallica: want mine?
Wynne: i get a migraine about 4 times a week
KrevZabijak: @vampraine Tasty stuff
Sanguinarius: what are sobe blood shots?
* Nitallica gets a migraine every time it rains
VanArtsdalen2: sounds interesting
LunaCarmesi: been having migraines almost every night the past 2 weeks
RKCoon: never heard of that
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: I get them several times a day
Nitallica: :(
Masticina: I get a bloody nose when the weather changes fast
KrevZabijak: No Fear Bloodshot, yes?
LunaCarmesi: only at night when my body relaxes after moving around all day
Hank_Riker: As far as side effects from not feeding: Quicker to anger, head-aches, body-aches, lethargy, and depression. On the plus side, I can walk past the garlic isle and still breathe.
Masticina: :) but that is a thin bloodvein
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: course Im also diabetic
Sanguinarius: Nitallica, maybe mine were humidity-related? *interesting thought*
RoxxAnn: i had horrible headaches as a child. they weren't diagnosed though, as my parents were busy
Nitallica: possible ... I know environment plays a big part in mine some times
Nitallica: the weather affects me mostly now
vampraine: sorry are they no fear?
Nitallica: seasonal is not as big a problem anymore
LunaCarmesi: i have thought my ailments were passed down from family, diabetes a major part of it, but nothing is found
Masticina: I can feel the electricity of thunderstorms...so lovely
Masticina: to bad it doesn always fall where I am
* Nitallica can thank her mother's family for all her ailments ;P
LunaCarmesi: as far as being quick tempered, lethargic, etc...i mostly have all of those issues
LadyVittoria: I am like a walking medical dictionary and pharmacy rolled into one
Adevarat: I love tstorms but the bariatric pressure changes causes migraines
VanArtsdalen2: @Masticina I used to get bloody noses a lot as a child and I mean A LOT, they were really bad too. Strangely after I awakened I rarely get them and they are usually not bad at all.
lady_aliana274: whats really fun is to make it rain..... hee hee....jk
RoxxAnn: i can't open my eyes around onion, and garlic is tasting nasty to me. i like herbs like mint and basil better
LunaCarmesi: water is what puts me at peace...near a lake, pond, rain
Nitallica: *perk* cookies?
Sanguinarius: For those who have gone a year or years (how long?, have these gotten worse or better over time?
Wynne: i have brownies
vampraine: i usually drink the blood shots so fast i guess i dont read the label
* yo_babe thanks Sangi and eats cookie! :)
LunaCarmesi: i have gone 2 years without feeding until about a week ago
Masticina: not bad Arts I must say my bloodnoses been less to..
Adevarat: worse. It seems my ailments are more frequent and my mood changes got so bad I went to the dr to se if I was starting menopause early. Im not
SphynxCatVP: chronic pain definitely got worse over time
Masticina: they used to be allot worse :!
LadyVittoria: forests are what put me at peace
Fooln: did I miss someone explaining what blood shots are?
KrevZabijak: @Sang : It seems to have leveled out, with spikes every now and then in severity, but it never stays at those crazy severe levels for more than a few days, then it returns to rock-bottom
isabellerose: <--- none year no change
VanArtsdalen2: After a year I don't get cravings as awesome but I eat a lot more regular food BUT I get sick much more often.
KrevZabijak: @Fooln: it's an energy drink
RoxxAnn: I like storms, and rain, and clouds, fog, over cast days, you name it, anything but sun. Sun is too much always was
Masticina: and yes..guess what no doctor could find out why
LunaCarmesi: it seemed as if during those 2 years, my ailments have gotten worse though some days i felt fine
Carfax: hm, my awakening was 9 years ago...and...hm...still the same issues, but not as often
Masticina: JOY why thefreak do I go to a doctor to get no answer
VanArtsdalen2: *often
Fooln: @krev oh, thanks
Wynne: doctors know nothing about this stuff
RoxxAnn: I love forests too Lady Vittoria
LunaCarmesi: food goes through me as well somedays, always some sort of gastrointestinal issue going on
LunaCarmesi: and i'm getting fed up with it
RKCoon: some are trying to study it however
Wynne: i went when i was awakening and the told me i was fine
SphynxCatVP: depressive periods would go in and out, depending on how rigorous I was on taking my vitamins (I admit it, I'm a slacker on my own vitamin regimen... Inflammatory problems were getting worse too
Wynne: when i knew i was not fine
Sanguinarius: Howdy Malevolence
SphynxCatVP: other moods would swing in and out
KrevZabijak: @Wynne: Did you see a therapist?
VanArtsdalen2: I've given up on doctors, whether it's a vampire relation condition or just my body acting up they are rarely able to help.
LunaCarmesi: Masticina, i think my doctor thinks i'm a hypocondriac
KrevZabijak: It's not always physical for some
Malevolence: greetings
Masticina: ...ah of course
Hank_Riker: Say. It's somewhat unrelated, but has anyone had the experience of breathing in while near garlic, and having your throat close up, and being unable to breathe till you were away from it / cleared it from your lungs?
LunaCarmesi: they find nothing wrong whatsoever
Wynne: ive been in a nd out of shrinks and gotten no where
Adevarat: I love garlic. Its good for you too
* Nitallica got lucky and found a good dr in her po-dunk town who "understands"
LadyVittoria: no Hank
Wynne: tired of spending money one stuff that doesnt work
RKCoon: gottta love garlic
Malevolence: yeah. I hate garlic
Masticina: I think we vampires know allot more about the human body then many doctors do
LadyVittoria: I love garlic
LunaCarmesi: same Wynne
Masticina: yum garlic
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: I love it but it hates me
isabellerose: i love garlic!!!
VanArtsdalen2: I like garlic in pizza... just not when it's all chunky.
obayifo: for me right now i am knowen as the monster of my house
Masticina: ..oooh
isabellerose: it dont love me tho
RoxxAnn: Doctors were giving me endless tests and medicines and I was getting sicker and sicker so fast. Thank you guys for being here. You helped wake me up.
* Sanguinarius points to SphynxCatVP as the Royal Physician
KrevZabijak: It's because the aggravating compounds in garlic are water-soluble
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: bad reathe and smell blah
LunaCarmesi: it is hard to determine in myself if this depression is literay a condition or the lack of feeding
* SphynxCatVP giggles
RKCoon: and how does that come about, sangi?
Masticina: mmm you make me hungry for pizza
Adevarat: Hank it could be a personal allergy
KrevZabijak: Lots of sulfuric compounds
Hank_Riker: It's sad, I used to love garlic, but I've grown very sensitive to it. As did my father.
SphynxCatVP: Yes, I am the official wielder of the nutritional cluebat
lady_aliana274: what I am wondering is what is the difference between someone attacking you and whether you are having a panic attack? my stomach is always in knots.
Sanguinarius: I love garlic. I couldn't cook without it
Hank_Riker: Adevarat: I'm thinking it might be genetic.
Sanguinarius: what happens with you and garlick, Hank?
LunaCarmesi: i try to stay away from doctors know, i find a chiropractor helps to balance me out
LunaCarmesi: no meds go in and nothing comes out
lady_aliana274: i have digestive problems enough as it is.
LadyVittoria: doctors are for the most part fucking useless
RoxxAnn: My throat does not close up from garlic. My allergies are not "true" allergies. They aren't IgE mediated. They're IgA, IgG, not type I but type III etc
LunaCarmesi: indeed lady Vittoria
KrevZabijak: A chiropractor completely wrecked my neck for six months
vampraine: does anyone feel like they will lose control when they havent fed? i cant keep up so sorry if this is out of place
Sanguinarius: RoxxAnn, what are those abbreviations?
LunaCarmesi: for some it is different
KrevZabijak: They should never have been allowed to legally practice
Sanguinarius: Not all chiropractors are created equal
Adevarat: no I never lose control as far as doing something bad.
Sanguinarius: hiya Wynne and Bapho
KrevZabijak: All their methods are evil :P
LunaCarmesi: i do vampraine, but through help and understanding of others i have learned to control it as much as i can
LadyVittoria: I agree Snagi. some are good and others suck
RoxxAnn: I need sulphur from animal proteins. Plant sulphuric compounds give me problems. I don't enumerate because there are too many. I wouldn't do it justice
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: they label everything too much
LunaCarmesi: i can't deny that it does get the best of me though
RoxxAnn: Chiropractors are cool
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: I am not a damn label lol
Sanguinarius: some of 'em anyway
SphynxCatVP: KrevZabijak, I'll agree that there are crappy chiros out there, but mine should be nominated for sainthood, he actually knows what he's doing
LadyVittoria: I agree Father JP
VanArtsdalen2: I have had issues with smelling blood and getting a little (very ansty, but I'm very in control of myself.
lady_aliana274: im so out of it these days.... is a vampraine a vampire migraine?
Wynne: i get violent angry sometimes but i isolate myself and vent it into a brick wall and im better
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: ok one label LOL
Adevarat: when I feel like I cant take it anymore I withdraw for awhile but I wont go like "shithouse" on someone
Sanguinarius: I had a chiropractor in Lawrnce KS who should have been deified
LunaCarmesi: i taste blood often out of nowhere, does that happen unexpectantly to others?
Fooln: @raine I sometimes think I will, but rearely. And I know from experience tat I can control myself better than I think, at least where it really counts
RoxxAnn: Immune gamaglobulin
Merticus: How many people here suffer from chronic back, joint, arthritis, or other related problems?
LadyVittoria: I get that ocasionally Luna
SphynxCatVP: I've had that happen occasionally, but damned if I've been able to figure out why
RoxxAnn: i didn't understand the doctors either at first
Wynne: i do
KrevZabijak: I don't.
isabellerose: any advice for, when youve not fed in a long time and you walk past a donor center and go nuts????? WTF do you do???????/
Adevarat: yes...my mouth gets metallic tasting like blood
LunaCarmesi: exactly what i think as well Fooln
LadyVittoria: Merticus---- chronic bursitus
Nitallica: Merticus: degenerative joint disease here
Fooln: @luna It happened once or twice to me
vampraine: @luna i dont have anyone near me for support
Masticina: returns
Malevolence: Merticus. You may beinterested in recent developments in my health.
VanArtsdalen2: @Merticus I have knee issues and the occasional terrible back pain.
Nitallica: runs in my family though
KrevZabijak: <-- fibro/connective tissue disorder
LunaCarmesi: those of you that i have met through websites have helped me with answers and such
Adevarat: Merticus: I have chronic neck issues but that is from being in bad vehicle accidents in the past
LunaCarmesi: my fiance is a psi who has mostly helped and guided me to support
RoxxAnn: Merticus, yes, those are all part of my medical conditions. started at age nine for me
Masticina: from my father I did get ..long connecting tissue..
Wynne: scoliosis and arthritus, no cartalige in my knees either
RKCoon: mert - chronic pain-in-everyone-elses-dere-itis
LunaCarmesi: he's the only "in person" person i know i can go to
Masticina: you know what keeps the bones together
Adevarat: but sometimes my joints ache for no reason. I went to a dr to see if I had arthritis and I dont
RKCoon: *derrieire
Fooln: @Merticus nope, never had that kind of problems.
Masticina: so it is rather "movable"
Merticus: Feel free to share Mal - if you wish.
isabellerose: none yet but in the family there are back issues
KrevZabijak: So what's the current topic?
Adevarat: and I have very slight scoliosis in my spine
obayifo: i do too
vampraine: its hard to know who to trust on the web ive met some real whack jobs
isabellerose: hahaha
Sanguinarius: Current topic is 3.) For those who have gone a year or years (how long?, have these gotten worse or better over time?
VanArtsdalen2: So I think the point of the matter is, though everyone has health issues. Vampires seem to have more, often more severe and more often then other people. By that I mean it seems most vampires have trouble while only SOME people have bad issues.
Fooln: @adevarat almost everybody has a slight scoliosis
Adevarat: really?
Merticus: Other curious question if I may... if you have been diagnosed with Fibromyalgia type 1, if Chronic Fatigue Syndrome type 2, and if both type 3.
hirudo: Merticus- I do, though it disappeared for nearly two weeks after my first feed. That was heavenly. It's hurting again now though.
Malevolence: doctors have diagnosed my sarcoid disease as systemic. They expect my condition to be terminl within 10 to 15 years. some of the major symptoms of this disease will be total kidney failure, liver failure, and blindness. Then it will attack 'vital' organs, like my heart & brain.
RoxxAnn: i eat raw chicken. have one in my kitchen to share dinner with cats after this discussion. they are cuddled up here waiting
LunaCarmesi: to get to the point, my 2 years w/o feeding caused me to feel all these ailments in which i've already explained, but after i fed a week ago, i have felt alive, felt like i was worth something, to be blunt, i felt on top of the world
Adevarat: I have not been diagnosed with either
LadyVittoria: aren't you concerned about salminilla Roxanne?
Fooln: yep, thats what a doctor told me. if it's not a big one, there's nothing to worry about
Sanguinarius: geez! :(
isabellerose: eww roxxanne
Wynne: that is rather gross haha
Sanguinarius: Have those ailments dissappeared after feeding?
Masticina: troubling Malevolence
Merticus: (or not
SphynxCatVP: yes
LunaCarmesi: now, i was told i could go to a butcher shop for blood, but isn't there many concerns about disease there?
Sanguinarius: Greets Sanguinarius
SphynxCatVP: mine at least
Sanguinarius: 'ello 'ello Rath
Masticina: has vampirism had any effect on it?
LunaCarmesi: and for myself, that is not something i would prefer on doing
Nitallica: my mother is a microbiologist ... so I grew up hearing of the "evils" of eating undercooked or raw meats :P
LadyVittoria: when I feed, my energy level goes up, I am happier in disposition and not in as much chronic pain.. not so much lethargy
KrevZabijak: If you know your butcher, you would know if there are concerns are not. Being in south Louisiana, I know a good one for blood.
SphynxCatVP: Nitallica, you might want to look into grassfed beef
Merticus: Hate to hear that Mal :( Obtained additional opinions?
Rath: never does taste like the exact same thing
RoxxAnn: no, i'm not concerned with salmonella
VanArtsdalen2: Often times I feel better after feeding but since I don't get to do it often the crash usually makes me feel worse then I did before I fed.
obayifo: yes very much so, even to the point my doctor said what ever your doing keep doingit
RoxxAnn: i was so sick, and raw omnivore animals feed me so well
vampraine: how can you drink blood from a butcher?
KrevZabijak: Easy, with a cup.
SphynxCatVP: bite him? *ba dum dum* just kidding...
SphynxCatVP: :
isabellerose: lol krev!
RKCoon: baaaad
Sanguinarius: lol
KrevZabijak: Beef blood.
obayifo: lol
Wynne: :P
Malevolence: The three doctors who were caring for me in the hospital were all the heads of their respective departments. They are the final authority in this area.
vampraine: isnt the blood too old?
LadyVittoria: I had organic beef blood last night
hirudo: My doc said he thought I had chrondromalacia patella (sp?), aka, Runner's Knee, last time I saw him, hence the physio appointment (god bless the NHS. It's a pity I don't run though....
LunaCarmesi: my issue is, since i do not know anyone around my area to ask to donate, i do not know how to come about opening myself up and asking
Merticus: :(
LunaCarmesi: here, i mean
isabellerose: threaded blood, say you want to make a black pudding
Rath: hmmm at that point in time i would think that animal blood is only truely feeding a psychological need
Nitallica: SphynxCatVP: maybe ... I have no probs eating meat and using blood in my gravies, but I can't eat something raw right out of the package ...
Rath: more then a physical need
lady_aliana274: i feel you can be completely healthy and be a healthy vampire too
KrevZabijak: No, since I've helped him repair his fences, he let me do the Masai technique of getting the blood right from the cow.
Falstaff: I would think drinking animal blood would have consequences.
Rath: Falstaff it does
Nitallica: Sangi: good luck
RoxxAnn: blood is best immediately, but depending how stored, still works for me a day or so later
Nitallica: ooooh
Hank_Riker: SphynxCatVP usually cooks the outside of the critter from the package... I like mine a bit more done than that.
Hank_Riker: Heh
Nitallica: wtf?
Nitallica: lol
Malevolence: lady_aliana274, you may be for a while, but with my current condition, I think that eventually it will come bck to bite hard. I was very healthy without feeeding for about 17 years.
isabellerose: it would falstaff if not from butcher
Sanguinarius: Oh, Lady CG has a good article on preserving/freezing blood. lemme find the url!
LunaCarmesi: to be honest, i feel the action of drinking animal blood and being aware of it is sickening to me...i don't think i'd be able to stomach it
LunaCarmesi: anyone feel the same?
RoxxAnn: i might have been able to do blood pudding as a child, but i'm a different person now
KrevZabijak: I'm sure we have some vegans here, no doubt
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: I do not support killing animals unless you use all of them, dont waste, and do it humainly
SphynxCatVP: Here's LadyCG's article on blood storage: http://sphynxcatvp.nocturna.org/articles/ladycg-bloodstorage.html
Adevarat: lol
LunaCarmesi: lol
LadyVittoria: lol
Isealdor: @LunaCarmesi like drawing blood from an animal specifically, or even n general, like eating undercooked/rare meat?
* RKCoon coughs
vampraine: i cant drink blood thats been stored
RoxxAnn: thank you sanguinarius (lady cg article preserving
lady_aliana274: what I meant really is when you feed regularly and are able to get what you need you can be healthy
Isealdor: in*
Fooln: I read the red liquid from the meat is not just blood, most of it is muscle liquid... *looks for the English word*
Sanguinarius: Long Term Blood Storage for Sangs, by Lady CG - http://bit.ly/Oxo3f
LunaCarmesi: more of like getting it straight from the butcher, it is not like me
Masticina: yupz this weekend there is a party where I go out
Masticina: I expect quite a few poepel to ocme
LunaCarmesi: otherwise, i eat rare steak, usedto eat raw beef as a child
Malevolence: food coloring & dye.
Masticina: maybe I do have to look for a more steady donor though...mmm for in the between times and low months
Wynne: im getting ungry now
Rath: animal blood is not the same as human blood
Masticina: because don get me wrong. This is the first big party in three monhts
Rath: and feeding from it
SphynxCatVP: I eat my steaks very rare - but never raw
SphynxCatVP: though I've been very VERY tempted on occasion
Sang-JIRC_newnickhere: anyone have advise on donor feedomg
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: Amen
Rath: will only mostly feed a psychological need
RKCoon: yes, we have a room of a dozen or more vamps talking about lack of feeding, and people wonder why they get hungry
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: I need human blood
Masticina: yes sang, keep it safe
Sanguinarius: (for latecomers, questions to discuss:
Sanguinarius: 1. How long have you gone without feeding?
Sanguinarius: 2. What changes, discomforts and ailments, increased/decreased sensitivities, abilities, etc. have you experienced since you have not been feeding?
Sanguinarius: 3.) For those who have gone a year or years (how long?, have these gotten worse or better over time?
RKCoon: both
Nitallica: argh ...
LunaCarmesi: i completely feel the same, i find the effects of human blood is much more appeasing
Nitallica: stupid clicky
SphynxCatVP: Oh definitely
Masticina: I think as ..psi vampire being..that humans have already "pre digested" the energy
isabellerose: <--- no change always ***ing awfil
RoxxAnn: herbivore blood doesn't work as well for me
Masticina: so it si more on our wavelength
jyu_dragon: nite alls *hugs ise*
vampraine: if blood is not absolutely fresh it makes me sick
Isealdor: g'night, jyu
Adevarat: nite
* Isealdor hugs
Merticus: * Question: Those who eat raw meat or the blood from meat do you find it satifies or do you need to feed from human blood or direct live sources?
Rath: well large amounts of blood will make anyone one sick
vampraine: @masticina funny
Falstaff: Not even really just large amounts.
LunaCarmesi: as far as a donor, the only one i have is my guy here at home
psi. and even then he does not feed me often...isn't that a bad thing to feed from other vamps?
RoxxAnn: 30 gets worse without feeding
Falstaff: You would think even a pint would be too much.
Malevolence: I would be glad to test that, rath.
Luciana: the prana is only fresh blood...
RKCoon: mert - it needs to be live. raw steak etc is at best a soother
isabellerose: <--- only stops the thirst temporarily, as its dead blood its no good for energy
jyu_dragon: i eats raw meat and fish, but i only sang feed from live donors
Wynne: a nice big rare steak gets me by for a lil while as mostly psi i dont need blood as often
Sanguinarius: the rare steak, gives a kind of warm and cozy feeling. it helps but it's not like drinking an amount of fresh straight blood
Adevarat: it satifies me but more on a psycholocical level.
SphynxCatVP: Blood from meat has a shorter satiation factor - works for a few days, tops, depending on the quality (and I can get damn picky
Masticina: I mean I heard of vampires that feed of the sun
Masticina: ..
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: no comment
Adevarat: true satifaction comes from true feeding for me
obayifo: human sorce
VanArtsdalen2: The closest thing I get to raw is a rare/medium rare steak.
Falstaff: SphynxCatVP... why not just eat meat every few days then?
SphynxCatVP: good to get over a rough patch though
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: amen
RKCoon: no comment here ither.
SphynxCatVP: cost, Falstaff
Sanguinarius: yeah, and it doesn't work as long
Falstaff: Makes sense.
Rath: Mal. for most humans more then a tea spoon of blood would make you sick
lady_aliana274: <---- prefers from my donor
Fooln: @merticus it makes it more berable. though the liquid in the meat is just partly blood
Rath: when you mix it
Rath: its different
KrevZabijak: Photosynthesis Vampire! :D
SphynxCatVP: LOL
hirudo: Sangi-Feeding again does improve your symptoms but it will take many feeds for me to get back to anything like I was all those years ago. The alleviation of symptoms is short-lived after only one or two feeds.
Rath: a pint would would kill you
RoxxAnn: My body knows when to stop feeding. I never overfeed on blood
LunaCarmesi: i have had a few teaspoons at one point and did not get sick at all
* Nitallica has only one donor now ... the hubby ;)
* Sanguinarius wants more than a teaspoon ful...
Rath: Merticus i've done some study into that area, and as I've stated it feels that mental need
jyu_dragon: a 3lb of steak tartar is very nomnom
Masticina: well normally plants feed on sunlight..actually on the processed aided by the sunlight. That goes into a herbivore, into a carnivore..into a human then into us
SphynxCatVP: Hirudo > does the alleviation get longer the more times you feed?
KrevZabijak: If anyone wants good knowledge of meat and its contents, and how to purchase, I happily refer you to Alton Brown, of Good Eats fame.
LadyVittoria: the organic beef blood was about four teaspoons and I was fine
hirudo: Currently I'm working on organising a bigger feed from a donor that can take that sort of thing.
SphynxCatVP: Alton Brown Rawks
* Nitallica prefers Adam from Man vs Food
Nitallica: :
Isealdor: @Merticus the raw meat/blood from meat for me is more of a hunger placater, more a temporary placebo of sorts
RoxxAnn: the liquid in meat, if i'm not incorrect, is interstitial fluid, not truely blood
Falstaff: Damned shame it clots so quickly. Prevents any sort of bathing or fountains.
LunaCarmesi: i feel at this point, i would be satisfied and able to deal with psychological/phsical ailments if i were to only feed once a month
* Sanguinarius seriously needs to network down here and find donors and vamp-friendly people and dare I hope, other vampires
isabellerose: if people knew what i did one night id be accused of being a wannabe lol
LunaCarmesi: at least
Rath: thank you ise, i was saying that. they tend to listen more to you
isabellerose: ohh the memory
* SphynxCatVP thinks blood fountains are a waste, considering how hard it is to GET in the first place :P
KrevZabijak: You can't compare Adam and Alton. It's like trying to compare the LHC to a microwave.
Hank_Riker: We have found that when I feed SphynxCatVP, it can last for many days, and has side effect benefits that are hard to deny.
hirudo: Merticus- It must be human and fresh, usually with direct contact with the donor.
KrevZabijak: Hey, put enough EDTA in, you got yourself a blood fountain.
* Sanguinarius thinks of a blood fountain as an extravagant luxury
Isealdor: @Merticus It's not particularly effective personally as far as truly feeding
vampraine: ok will there be somewhere to get a transcript of this when its over because i am soooo lost
* jyu_dragon drops skittles in lhc :)
Falstaff: Holy Roman Empire had no heir apparents, silly.
LunaCarmesi: indeed, it takes a moment to to catch up on the reading
Adevarat: lol
Nitallica: Sanguinarius: unless it's like a soda fountain!
isabellerose: wow i love fountains anyway let alone THAT image! lol
* Sanguinarius salivates on SphynxCatVP's foot
RoxxAnn: anyone else try raw milk baths? I've never gotten enough blood to bath in it
* Nitallica hates milk
Adevarat: I hate milk
Nitallica: tastes funny
Sanguinarius: try 1%
RKCoon: ive bathed in my own blood but it wasnt exactly by choice
Nitallica: gimme tea
LadyVittoria: ewwww.. only likes cream in coffee
Nitallica: sweet tea
VanArtsdalen2: I love milk. Only skim or chocolate soy milk.
Nitallica: sugar sugar SUGAR
Nitallica: :
Sanguinarius: how so, RK?
LunaCarmesi: milk does abody good
Fooln: no *g* but milk works a bit as a substitute for me
RKCoon: ive had a rough childhood
lady_aliana274: @nitallica you rock!!!
RoxxAnn: i never liked milk, but i get raw grassfed now
Merticus: Anyone here used milk as a temporary blood substitute?
hirudo: Need a ciggie break. Hips hurting from sitting down so long *grump*
Falstaff: Hmm.
Nitallica: :D
Sanguinarius: sometimes
Sanguinarius: yogurt
Adevarat: no..I am lactose intolerant. I have to drink rice milk
Rath: RK your in the marines correct or army... one of the two?
* Nitallica hates yogurt too
lady_aliana274: aint nothing like some goodold fashion sounthernstyle swwet tea.... hell yeah
Nitallica: and cream cheese
RoxxAnn: unheated honey in bath too
Sanguinarius: I use yogurt a lot.....
LunaCarmesi: how is it that milk can help as a sub again?
lady_aliana274: sweet**
VanArtsdalen2: Strangely I go through my chocolate soy milk phases and those are the times my hunger is the least... Strange right?
Rath: milk makes you seem full
Sanguinarius: and chocolate syrup
SphynxCatVP: milk has protein
Fooln: @mert *points upwards*
LunaCarmesi: ah, ok
Merticus: Some theorize hormones and trace amounts of blood in milk, etc.
RoxxAnn: raw milk will do me for a few days or a week
Rath: I can see it having once again a psychological impact
LunaCarmesi: i have never noticed that or known of it to say the least
Wynne: raw milk?
diss: milk is a bodily fluid, and might be rich in energy
KrevZabijak: Trace amounts are exactly that- TRACE amounts.
RKCoon: neither. ive simply had episodes where i leaked so much of my own i was coated in it
Isealdor: @Merticus milk as a true substitute, no...use to placate/use as a placebo for temporary craving suppression, yes
Falstaff: That would be interesting.
Nitallica: RKCoon: :(
* RKCoon ponderrs how people figure i was in any form of army
Masticina: doesn milk at times ocntains living things?
Rath: Ise, again. I said that
SphynxCatVP: Merticus- Tried milk as a substitute, didn't really work... just filled the stomach
Masticina: erm yoghurt right?
LunaCarmesi: note to self...buy more milk
LunaCarmesi: lol
RKCoon: CHOCOLAAATTTEEE!!!!!
RoxxAnn: vegan milks do not nourish me really. I need animal. It's very different
Masticina: yum
Sanguinarius: acidophilus milk contains live enzymes, doesn't it?
Nitallica: chocolate is good
Isealdor: @Rath was answering from my perspective, too
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: chocolate milk works some
RKCoon: i find it helps me a lot lol
Nitallica: esp dark chocolate
Masticina: good you understand that ROxx
Rath: you say it better
Masticina: sorry but vegans at times.. can move away from me
SphynxCatVP: Sangi > Acidophilous milk should, but I haven't seen it myself (Ooooo...
Isealdor: lol thanks, Rath
* Rath jumps on ise, and stuffs an apple in his throat, and goes shh
Masticina: I own rats, they require animal protein and I will feed it to them
Isealdor: ack!!
Nitallica: acido-what?
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: vegans dont drink milk
RoxxAnn: milk can contain microorganisms, active enzymes of course too
Falstaff: Vegans are goofy.
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: lol
Adevarat: lol
Nitallica: save a plant ... BBQ a vegan
LunaCarmesi: lol
SphynxCatVP: Nitallica > Microorganisms often found in yogurt to help the stomach
RoxxAnn: bioactive nutrients vitamins minerals in milk, raw
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: I need my cheses and milk
Masticina: spoken about pets..who has pets here?
Fooln: what fat content has the milk you tried as a sub? i found that low fat milk doesn't work as well. i drink milk with 3,5% or 3,8% fat
sp00ky: I still say we kill all the furries and forcefeed them to the vegans.
yo_babe: lol
KrevZabijak: <3 Nitallica
Adevarat: I have 7 pets
Falstaff: I'm with you, sp00ky.
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: and yogurt
sp00ky: Who's with me?
Hank_Riker: Considering how milk is processed in the US, it's hard to imagine it having any beneficial energy or essence left over...
LunaCarmesi: i have 2 cats
RKCoon: LOL @ Nitallica
SphynxCatVP: I drink "whole milk", so whatever the fat content is there?
VanArtsdalen2: 3 cats 4 dogs.
Rath: I drink skin milk
RoxxAnn: chocolate is an antedote to pasteurized milk, cooked wheat, cooked soy
SphynxCatVP: and I get organic milk only, not bargain brand
LunaCarmesi: good point Hank
KrevZabijak: How about we bleed you for all the sangs, sp00ky?
* Sanguinarius swats sp00ky on his butt with Erelin's List
Falstaff: Skin milk?!
Rath: and i eat amazingly healthy
Adevarat: 2 cats,2 dogs, 3 horses
Rath: skim*
Fooln: @sphynx i don't know how it is in the US
sp00ky: KrevZabijak, good luck with that.
Rath: my bad
RKCoon: uuhhhh...
RKCoon: sangi?
Sanguinarius: hmmm?
RoxxAnn: your funny nitillica
RKCoon: last i knew, spooky was female?
Sanguinarius: her
Sanguinarius: oops
sp00ky: lol
RKCoon: LOL
sp00ky: Im female?
Sanguinarius: him?
KrevZabijak: Act like a dick, get called male
RoxxAnn: homemade yogurt from grassfed raw
RKCoon: last I saW
Nitallica: my plumbing is fine, fyvm
* Sanguinariustries to get back on track
Falstaff: Sometimes he's the woman, sometimes I'm the woman, it is hot.
Nitallica: ;
Masticina: oooh I got 2 rats lady rats they retty much own me
*** sp00ky is now known as memm
SphynxCatVP: Fooln > Most milk in the US has been contaminated with bovine growth hormone, rBGH, and to me, it makes the milk taste funny. I started getting organic only when the regular tasted like liquid cardboard, and never looked back
memm: Im deffintly not a female
RKCoon: i do like that yes falstaff
Nitallica: memm: are you sure?
Masticina: so how we find our pets react on us.. as vampire
Sanguinarius: oh ok
* memm laughs
Masticina: andmore important other animals that don'tknow us
* RKCoon cocks yead sideways at spooky "Merf?"
* Nitallica has always had "a way" with animals
LadyVittoria: how long is this chat for Sangi?
LunaCarmesi: i am bonded very closely to my cat
SphynxCatVP: I seem to have a good rapport with most cats
Adevarat: actually, animals are drawn to me. I have always had a "way" with them
SphynxCatVP: not so keen on dogs
Nitallica: never met a dog, cat, bird, ferret, goat, ... that didn't love me
Sanguinarius: my cats don't seem to have a problem, but then, I'm basically all they've known
RoxxAnn: I quick drinking commerical milk at age 5
LunaCarmesi: he senses and knows when i am distressed and i the same to him
RKCoon: animals either love me or hate me. much like humans\
VanArtsdalen2: I'm very good with animals as well.
PapaSnorgle: Uhm offtopic warning????
memm: ku
Falstaff: Hello Cushion
PapaSnorgle: Anyone?
memm: ;
Adevarat: hello irony
LunaCarmesi: he is quite sick now as it is and i feel it
RoxxAnn: My family still used it, but I couldn't
Merticus: * Question: Any sang vamps here start out as psi? Or any current psi's found that feeding sang satifies their need to feed greater than any psi method they've tried?
KrevZabijak: Animals often react to me like I'm a human. Which is to be expected, since I am.
Sanguinarius: LadyVittoria, til we run out? I'd figured on maybe hour, hour and a half-ish
Falstaff: That makes psi sound like a gateway drug.
* Nitallica thought she would die when her cat passed away 2 yrs ago :(
Father_JP_ChrstVampyre: I have to go eat see you all later
LadyVittoria: ty Sangi
SphynxCatVP: ROFL
Nitallica: she was 20 yrs old
RKCoon: my introduction to it was psi yes, but that question was answered for me long b efore i fed
Sanguinarius: gateway feeding! *evil laugh*
RoxxAnn: All animals love me so far
* RKCoon pokes sangi
Adevarat: Im a hybrid. I mostly psi feed out of availibility but nothing satisfies as well as sang feeding
VanArtsdalen2: Nope but i always identified as sang until I realized (after not feeding for a while I also have some psi ability.
Falstaff: So far.
RoxxAnn: Not necessarily all humans, but enough
Falstaff: Until you run into a shark or pissed off bear.
* memm laughs
Fooln: @sphynxcat oh, ew. the milk is drnk is just pasteurized... i think they didn't do much more with it. even homogenized milk tastes awful and doesn't work anymore.
Isealdor: @Merticus I classify with the current popular term for feeding multiple ways, "hybrid", but blood feeding is usually the most effective feeding method for me
LunaCarmesi: i find as a sang who does not get blood often, i find it no choice but to learn to meditate and focus on getting the energy i need
RKCoon: id have to say almost all sangs have psi capability
memm: She's going to be on one of those "When animals attack" shows.
LunaCarmesi: but it is hard to me to do so since it is hard for me to relax and focus fully
Falstaff: All psis do not have sang capabilities though?
Hank_Riker: I also have always had a bond with animals.
* Nitallica has to watch herself or she turns into an emotional sponge ... picking up the emotions of those around her
KrevZabijak: @RK: I have zero capability, even being 'force-fed' by various psi-vamps does nothing. Reiki, nothing. Healing energy, nothing.
LadyVittoria: I started out psi.. went sang.. and now hybrid
SphynxCatVP: Fooln > I don't drink milk as a substitute, I just happen to like milk and have the genetics to not get ill from it
Adevarat: not all sangs can feed psi
Nitallica: around my mother I would go from 0 to Bitch in .03 seconds
RoxxAnn: Falstaff, true, pissed off shark or bear would probably love no human like entity
Sanguinarius: eeee, sounds familiar
VanArtsdalen2: I'm no good though. I feed mainly off blood but I cannot control my empathic feeding. I don't realize when I'm doing it and can't control it. i'm much better as a sang
RKCoon: Krev - how did you come to that conclusion?
LunaCarmesi: i am not aware of the actual feeling i'm supposed to get from psi feeding...which frustrates me and makes me hurt more
LunaCarmesi: if that makes sense
RKCoon: tag me pm if youd rather speak it there
lady_aliana274: <--- not a psy have problems feeding that way.
KrevZabijak: Years and years of trials.
Masticina: I found most animals like me
RoxxAnn: Reiki has helped me some, years ago. Not sure about now
Masticina: then again I am a slow person I don make sudden movements
Hank_Riker: Merticus - I consider myself a "dual fueler" as both psi and blood. And psi feeding is how I've made it 6+ months sans blood.
Falstaff: I've always found psi-feeding to be nothing more than bullying, in my experience.
RoxxAnn: I think it helped
lady_aliana274: reiki can help others when you practice.not really good 4 vamps
Sanguinarius: how so?
* ancient_arcane kitty pounces the channel! rawr
lady_aliana274: not so much to eat reiki
RKCoon: cute kitty
RKCoon: :p
Nitallica: Hank_Riker: so you go both ways?
Masticina: reiki isn about..well it ..works differnet
Adevarat: I think that depends on HOW one psi feeds
ancient_arcane: ^_^
SphynxCatVP: yes
SphynxCatVP: LOL
Parasina: As a Sang I find that I am supplementing myself with psi but it never does the job really. It just staves off the inevitable need for blood for a short while. Still, though the psi keeps me from deteriorating, I still go through the uncomfortable side effects of needing sang feeding
Masticina: I think a vampire yes can gain learning about rieki
RKCoon: in more ways than one 0:-
Fooln: @merticus I tried psi feeding during my awakening because I was too young to have a donor. It worked somewhat, but not too well and it didn't work over distance, had to touch the people.
Nitallica: hehehe
Masticina: BUT it is not ..the same like feeding
Hank_Riker: Nitallica - Indeed I do!
LunaCarmesi: my question is, since i can feel emotions, and i do have a natural ability to "heal" those around me in distress, is that a form of psi feeding or just being an empathetic person?
RoxxAnn: Me too. I move gracefully
Parasina: sounds like empathy.
KrevZabijak: I thought it was a human ability to know the emotions of others? Lacking that is a social deficit..
Masticina: ; good to hear Roxx. move with the flow and things work
lady_aliana274: i love reiki.. but i love to help others with it more.
Sanguinarius: KrevZabijak, knowing and actuallyexperiencing are two different things
Sanguinarius: experiencing = empathy
Nitallica: I see it as empathetic. When my husband I first started dating, his daughter latched on to me like no one else in her life ... I always thought it was because her mother is a nutty bitch. *shrug*
LunaCarmesi: i have a reiki book and have had reiki done to me, and i have felt somewhat different afterwards but could never put 2 and 2 together
Adevarat: I use reiki...when my man needs something worked on. but not for anything else
lady_aliana274: you can use it to heal others across the world. if you focus hard enough.. its really beautiful to help poeple.
KrevZabijak: That's always confused me. Then again, I'm a scientist and really don't belong in this xD
RKCoon: im not sold - having not seen it personally - on the notion of reiki in and of itself, but i am aware of energy workings etc
lady_aliana274: people*
RoxxAnn: LunaCarmesi, I've had that too. Feeling everyone's emotions around me. People say me being around helped them heal
LunaCarmesi: i see about the empathy, i kind of figured that was just it but was still questionable about it
RKCoon: what kind of scientist, Krev?
KrevZabijak: Forensic.
lady_aliana274: chi is endless really
PapaSnorgle: So uhm, I have a question: Is it just my impression or is the majority of Sangs female?
RKCoon: cool
Masticina: I once had a reiki master try to help out..over a video..
Sanguinarius: Howdy AzurePheonix
Hank_Riker: I mainly psi feed from the environment and lay lines. I try to avoid psi feeding from people.
Masticina: it just .well the idea was energy was put in the video
LunaCarmesi: as far as being around large groups, the ambience of it all, i do feel more onfident, full of life
RKCoon: Papa - well....
Sanguinarius: 'ello Seph
yo_babe: >KrevZabijak: blood spatter expert?
yo_babe: lol
RKCoon: LOL
Seph: Hullo
VanArtsdalen2: Papa. I don't know about the majority but I'm a woman and a Sang, woo xD
Nitallica: coooool
Parasina: PapaSnorgie: I find the numbers to be fairly balanced though the females are more willing to talk about it
Masticina: for vampires to feed form, ever had a "light meal" ..low fat low everything
RoxxAnn: I don't consciously try to move so gracefully, but I've seen myself caught on film, and I do. Could be why animals feel comfortable with me, even if they've been comfortable with no other human
lady_aliana274: what is really wild is that I have noticed there are a lot of female sangs in their 30's
isabellerose: <--- has lost topic totaly lol
* ancient_arcane ..did this discussion already start? I thought it was 9pm eastern..
Malevolence: I regret that I cannot stay longer. I will request a transcropt from you later, Sanguinarius.
Nitallica: the one thing that I'm not is graceful :P
lady_aliana274: some overweight some fit..
RKCoon: how many males ARE there here anyway?
Sanguinarius: I'll post one around and on my site
Hank_Riker: PapaSnorgle - Well, I'm male.
* Isealdor waves at RK
PapaSnorgle: Me but me no vamp...
diss: ancient, it was 7pm eastern
ancient_arcane: drat
RKCoon: hewwooo *waves back
SphynxCatVP: I do move much better after feeding, but that could also be due to the lack of pain...
isabellerose: lol its shear luck im here
* Nitallica stumbled in here and forgot all about the time ... was just excited ppl were talking! :)
Isealdor: good number of males
lady_aliana274: males are beautiful creatures...
lady_aliana274: hee hee
Masticina: ish a almost 30 psi male :(
LunaCarmesi: pain, yes it goes away after feeding but on a more psychological matter, i feel more motivated and eager to do things
RKCoon: .....depends on the male
Hank_Riker: SphynxCatVP does lots of things better after feeding. Heh heh heh.
* Sanguinarius smiles. some of 'em are
lady_aliana274: lol
SphynxCatVP: oh yessssss
* SphynxCatVP snickers
PapaSnorgle: not me...@lady alina
hirudo: I'm in my thirties and female.
RoxxAnn: yes, feeding makes my joints properly flexible
RKCoon: 28/usually male/vamp/raccoon (for those that dont know me
LunaCarmesi: on my way to 30...28 here
Parasina: I am in my 40's and female
* Sanguinarius is in her late 30s and is female
VanArtsdalen2: I'm slightly younger then thirty
Irony: Oh wow, hirudo, that nick is a blast from the past.
Isealdor: "usually male"?
isabellerose: gonna have to leave,
Adevarat: 37 female here
isabellerose: sorry
lady_aliana274: <---- 37 and female
Irony: Take care isabellerose
Sanguinarius: RK, you're only 28?
Nitallica: 34, female
Parasina: I have 2 male sangs in my family
lady_aliana274: cooool
vampraine: im sorry everyone ihave to go trying to keep up is making me sick
isabellerose: cant talk vamp much more :(
hirudo: *grins*
RKCoon: i am continually amazed when vamps say that to me, sangi, yes\
Sanguinarius: be well, vampraine
isabellerose: byeeee
Hank_Riker: 40, male. But neither SphynxCatVP nor I look our age.
VanArtsdalen2: and by slightly younger
Please don't treat me differently because of my age I mean I'm 18.
Sanguinarius: thanks for stopping by
Wynne: <---is also feeling sick watching the txt scroll wildly
Parasina: I don't either, Hank
Masticina: hehe age is mere a number after a while
RoxxAnn: forties female
* reluctantmagician feels perfectly fine
LunaCarmesi: so what is the longest many of you HAVE gone without feeding?
* Sanguinarius will post a transcript in a few days after she's had time to edit out extraneous chatter
VanArtsdalen2: 18 months.
RKCoon: 27 months at most, Luna, im at 24 currently\
Parasina: 8 months.
RoxxAnn: computer screens can make me sick too
SphynxCatVP: several months at least, Luna
Sanguinarius: I don't think I can count that night
Wynne: 6 months but haven't been awake for many years
SphynxCatVP: lost track for a while
KrevZabijak: I want to know the longest someone has kept up a regular feeding schedule, that's more personally interesting to me.
RKCoon: first time that long i went almost totally psycho. this time im , shall we say, in a better position to handle it
hirudo: Irony- I've been lurking on the VCMB for the last year or two.
Fooln: ~6 months but I also tend to lose track.
diss: Krev, i know a sang who says they fed weekly for 5 years
RKCoon: and i DAREE anyone to comment on that :p
Sanguinarius: wow, lucky dawg...
KrevZabijak: Lucky sonova.
LunaCarmesi: definitely lucky
RoxxAnn: I look younger than my age too. That's what I'm told all the time. Plus my hair is still naturally dark, most my age are not from what i've seen
Sanguinarius: oh god....
Isealdor: brb
Sanguinarius: sorry about that, epeeps
Parasina: I have been feeding 2x a week for most of my adult life until 2 years ago when it was made much more difficult to obtain
LunaCarmesi: people always mistake me for 18-19 y/o...it's such a compliment, lol
RoxxAnn: i start getting grays when I don't feed. Get dark again when I feed
hirudo: People keep thinking I'm 25
Irony: I never could feel at home on the VCMB, I have just lurked here forever and a bit.
KrevZabijak: My mother is 61 and looks 35, I've inherited the 'young' genes as well apparently.
Adevarat: thats bizzare
Hank_Riker: LunaCarmesi - More than 6 months now for me.
Adevarat: never heard of hair changing color due to feding or not
LunaCarmesi: i found after 2 years of feeding, i fed twice since then and things have gotten a bit more clearer for me in all aspets
RKCoon: krev - did you not say you were not vamp?
lady_aliana274: you as young as you feel or so they say... lol
lady_aliana274: your*
Sanguinarius: who all has the young gene?
KrevZabijak: I'm a sang, I don't know how you'd get any other impression.
* Nitallica is told all the time that she looks in her 20s ... and considering my hubby will be 40 this year, finds that really funny
Irony: Define the young gene?
RKCoon: musta misread, my bad
SphynxCatVP: KrevZabijak, probably from you saying you're a scientist
VanArtsdalen2: Sigh, I look my age. We'll see if that changes in years
Adevarat: I look around 25...fixing to be 38
RKCoon: well that too sphynxz
Sanguinarius: wehre you look a lot ytounger than your actual age
RoxxAnn: people think i'm anywhere from 16-37, depending on the day
KrevZabijak: Heheheh ohhhhh.
Wynne: thats a big range
Parasina: During that 8 months though I was very ill from not feeding. Some of the damage was permanent, so "going on the wagon" is not an option for me
Fooln: I'll have to get older to see if I have the young gene. I'm 18 now
* Nitallica gets mad if she's not carded for booze :)
KrevZabijak: logic /= vampiric. scary.
Irony: I get carded, but I put that down to shunning the light and having a pretty good diet
RoxxAnn: hair changes takes over a month
PapaSnorgle: Well I'm 28 and kinda look like 40...
Irony: Sun really does age a person.
SphynxCatVP: KrevZabijak, ROFL
Sanguinarius: Do people ask to speak to your parents on the telephone when you answer?
Masticina: oh well I am going to sleep well
Fooln: *"young gene"
Adevarat: only time my hair changes is when my favorite black dye is on sale lol
Masticina: I hope you all have a good nhight
RKCoon: well im a third year apprentice mechanic Krev, beleive me, sometimes logic clashes with, shall we say, other things
Irony: Night Masticina
Adevarat: night
Sanguinarius: my mom's definitely go the young gene
Parasina: I am in my 40's and have been thought to be in my mid-20's
RoxxAnn: my parents looked somewhat younger than their ages
Nitallica: Sanguinarius: a kid asked to speak to my mother a few weeks back. I told him "I AM the mother!"
lady_aliana274: yea. I think age is but a number to.. as long as you r good to others . others will b good to you..
smile
Hank_Riker: My father didn't look his age, well into his late 70's. But I think it's not uncommon in my family.
SphynxCatVP: once I drop some weight I might get carded more often
Sanguinarius: hehe
SphynxCatVP: right now I only get carded if I'm buying the hard stuff :(
LunaCarmesi: i am the only one in my family who is the healthiest, has the young gene, and such
RKCoon: i get asked my gender more often than my age. *SNRK*
Sanguinarius: haa
RoxxAnn: one of my grandmothers looked younger i think, but she didn't have proper documentation to prove her age
SphynxCatVP: LOL
* Nitallica only buys the hard stuff
Irony: I got carded for tobacco in your strange ass backwards country!
Carfax: ill go off.....@fooln du kommst zurecht, denke ich
* Irony sulks
Nitallica: Irony: you've been to Alabama?
Fooln: @carfax byebye :) ja, klar
* Sanguinarius apologises for her strangeass backwards country
SphynxCatVP: Irony, some places have policies of "carding everyone regardless of age"
lady_aliana274: its a nice compliment to get carded.... hee hee
Adevarat: lol Im in Alabama
SphynxCatVP: takes all the fun out of it
Nitallica: me too
RoxxAnn: people think i'm younger than my son
Irony: Not yet, that one was in North Dakota I think
Nitallica: Birmingham to be exact
LunaCarmesi: here in NY, you have to look 40 or younger to be carded
Irony: I got carded in New Orleans too though
lady_aliana274: 40 is the new 20
Nitallica: Hooray for BamaVamps!
lady_aliana274: hee hee
Adevarat: lol
KrevZabijak: Oh, Irony- everyone has to get carded here yeah
LunaCarmesi: people look at me and see my 7 y/o daughter and think i'm her sister/aunt or such
Sanguinarius: Does anyone have any further input they'd like to share?
hirudo: Never been asked to prove my age for cigs or booze I think.
Adevarat: welcome
Sanguinarius: Greetings Hybridragon
Irony: Hello Hybridragon
RoxxAnn: i couldn't feed (blood in alabama
* yo_babe will be 29 next month, but keeps being told she looks 21 :D
Fooln: I don't get the hair color thing. But besides that, no *g*
Sanguinarius: for latecomers:
LunaCarmesi: i have a question regarding anyone who has kids
Sanguinarius: 1. How long have you gone without feeding?
Sanguinarius: 2. What changes, discomforts and ailments, increased/decreased sensitivities, abilities, etc. have you experienced since you have not been feeding?
Sanguinarius: 3.) For those who have gone a year or years (how long?, have these gotten worse or better over time?
Sanguinarius: 4. Other considerations or topics you'd like to discuss?
RKCoon: youd get lynched, Roxxann?
RoxxAnn: got good raw milk and psi feeding there
lady_aliana274: I have a ?
RKCoon: shoot lady aliana
Hybridragon: hello
Irony: Liam <3
Adevarat: does anyone else feel really lonely at times. I mean there is a good online community but as far as real life friends who understand......
Sanguinarius: 'ello 'ello Liam-K
LunaCarmesi: through not feeding and having a quick temper, ailments, etc...do your children sense that?
Nitallica: RKCoon: let's just say that "alternative" lifestyles aren't tolerated in all areas down here
RoxxAnn: when my son was younger they thought i was his baby sitter
RKCoon: very much so, adevarat
Liam-K: hoo, 43 people? that's... unheard of in recent years
RoxxAnn: voicewise they thought he was my father
LunaCarmesi: Adevarat, i feel nothing but lonliness many times
Liam-K: <3 poppy. Did you see my messages on Skype?
RKCoon: that doesnt surprise me, Nitallica
Liam-K: hi Sanguinarius
LadyVittoria: got to go.. I bid you all farewell and darkest blessings.. take care...
RKCoon: my first ex was from georgia
Adevarat: the lonliness is what drives me nuts
lady_aliana274: what do you all feel about vamps in our community who tell others they are not vampiric??
Sanguinarius: be well, and thanks for stopping by
LunaCarmesi: even close friends do not understand my life as i live it which is why i come here
Fooln: @adevarat I have some rl vamp friends, but they don't live near me. we meet as often as possible.
RoxxAnn: no one IRL fully understands
Irony: Liam: Not yet, I can look, I only got up a couple of hours ago.
Liam-K: ok. Sent a couple of torrent files for music related to last night's sharing
Sanguinarius: I think they have no real way of knowing one way or the other
lady_aliana274: should one blatenly tell someone they are not vampiric????
RKCoon: LOL, if you want my oppinion on vamps online, lady aaliana, youll have to tag me on an IM\
RoxxAnn: Bye Lady Vittoria
Sanguinarius: and that whether they tell someone he/she IS or ISN"T, they could be wrong
Hank_Riker: Adevarat - Yes, I've felt that on occasion. I'm incredibly thankful to have SphynxCatVP... She keeps me sane...r.
SphynxCatVP: HEHEHE
SphynxCatVP: *twitches and drools a bit in the corner8
lady_aliana274: I dunno i just tend to believe that is up to the indiviual tof igure out for themselves..
lady_aliana274: ya know
LunaCarmesi: it took me a long while to openly admit that i am a vamp
RoxxAnn: Why would one vamp say to another vamp that they are not?
SphynxCatVP: politics :P
LunaCarmesi: and even now i do not discuss that to just anyone
RKCoon: depends on a lot of thingsw
Adevarat: back in the 90s there was a good community here in birmingham. people have moved and such and I feel the lonliness so acutely at times
Sanguinarius: sometimes, it seems obvious to me that an individual is (or is not vampiric, but I still hesitate to tell one way or the other
RKCoon: personally, i know of a few on the communities that make many claims but come up seriosuly short
hirudo: Adevarat- Yes. I have not come across any other true vamps in London for quite a few years. There are people here claiming to be vamps, plus there are several vampire interest groups here (lifestylers but no real sangs.
Adevarat: plus Im a housewife...so all I have is online interaction when not with my man
Nitallica: yeah :(
Nitallica: I feel ya there!
VanArtsdalen2: If someone online tells you're they're a vampire but their story changes often and they use stereotypes, do you call them out?
Sanguinarius: I would
LunaCarmesi: I know the feeling Adevarat
RKCoon: i do
Adevarat: I do
RKCoon: regularly.
SphynxCatVP: I have
lady_aliana274: I just feel for the newly awakend you know... it is hard enough to be this way.
LunaCarmesi: i have riddled some online who have claimed to be vamps
RKCoon: sangi and others here are well aware of my online.... escapades. XDD
SphynxCatVP: heh
Adevarat: I am nice to lifestylers but I dont humor them...does that make sense
Sanguinarius: hehe
Nitallica: got logs? LOL
LunaCarmesi: a simple question i ask them...are they sang, psi, etc?
VanArtsdalen2: I have a crappy freewebs site for teenage vampires and I get many claims. Those kids get MEAN when you call out the little Edwards.
RKCoon: LOL oh ya
LunaCarmesi: when they answer "huh?" i don't know what you mean...that is one way to find out
Adevarat: lol
Sanguinarius: what's the url, VanArtsdalen2?
Parasina: During my 8 months of no feeding my vision worsened (this was permanent) suddenly, I sustained a substantial hearing loss (also permanent, was hospitalized for undiagnosed eurhythmia, hormones went nuts and it was eventually blamed on a pituitary tumor that was never found, again no causes found, just wonky blood work. My spine deteriorated and narrowed. I was in constant joint pain, had migraines, irritable bowel and recurring
Parasina: , irritable bowel and recurring pneumonia and bronchitis. I didn't associate this with the lack of feeding for some time. However, my cravings were off the charts so I resumed feeding and much of it went away
Parasina: pneumonia and bronchitis.
Irony: No one wants their illusions shattered.
RKCoon: and some of the old ones too
Nitallica: lol Little Edwards
SphynxCatVP: heaven forbid you pop their fantasy bubble *eyeroll*
KrevZabijak: If someone is deluded enough to pose as someone who has the real 'need', I wouldn't bother because if they're hell-bent on appearing like that, it's a waste of energy to even mess with them
Adevarat: usually they out themselves by talking of "turning"
* RKCoon pets sangi
RoxxAnn: arrythmia you mean
SphynxCatVP: probably
RoxxAnn: eurhythmia is a dance
Fooln: I tend to ignore people who aren't.. interesting. Also, people who are lying on the internet won't stop that because of me calling them out. But if they are perticularly annoying I would, I think..
SphynxCatVP: she spelled it how it's pronounced
Parasina: correct. I didn't spell check. Was typing too fast to do that
LunaCarmesi: Go Team Edward.. bleh...ugh!
Sanguinarius: Parasina, did that all improve once you were able to feed again?
Parasina: most of it did, however the loss of vision, hearing and spinal problems remained but no longer progressed
RKCoon: krev, would ya mind if i PMed you>
KrevZabijak: Go ahead.
Sanguinarius: ya beat me to it, lol
KrevZabijak: If feeding repaired the spine, that would be totally awesome.
KrevZabijak: Damn.
RoxxAnn: i am not saying she's lying, just want people to understand as written.
Parasina: I wish
lady_aliana274: I sought out elders in the ovc back in 1995 and it always fell on deaf ears. i hate the fact that there might be newly awakened trying to find themselves that would be taken advantage of...
Sanguinarius: be well, Nitallica
RKCoon: hava goodnight nitallica\
Sanguinarius: fangs for stoppingby!
Nitallica: lol, you're velcome
* Sanguinarius chuckles and ducks
* RKCoon drops a frosty look at sangi
Parasina: I drew the line when they said it was one thing then another and finally wanted to biopsy my pituitary. No one cuts my head open
lady_aliana274: I guess that is the chance we take
Sanguinarius: *cheeky grin*
RoxxAnn: feeding helped my spine
* SphynxCatVP hugs Nitallica
Parasina: Really? I am jealous :(
* Quiest pokes her head in
Sanguinarius: that, sounds extreme
* Adevarat waves
lady_aliana274: thank you...(smile
RoxxAnn: Bye Nitillica
Parasina: It was traumatic because the doctors were scaring me to death with constantly changing diagnoses. They went from thyroid problem to heart problem to brain surgery very quick. I was scared to death.
Adevarat: What does everyone think constitutes an "Elder"?
RKCoon: LOL
Parasina: But, I guess I had to learn the lesson the hard way so now I make sure I keep feeding regularly, period.
RKCoon: "elder", IMHO, is a term reserved for RP or holleywood
Parasina: agreed
KrevZabijak: *agrees with RK*
Hank_Riker: Adevarat - Also agrees with RKCoon
VanArtsdalen2: Uhm Elder John from the church of Laturday Saints (I KNOW I just spelled that wrong
Parasina: I know, I know! How about "An elder is anyone with an AARP card!"
KrevZabijak: What I don't get is people not being satisfied with the current language system.
SphynxCatVP: <--- Old Fart
Adevarat: thats why I wanted to know peoples opinions
Hank_Riker: Parasina - Baddd. Heh
lady_aliana274: nowadays that is a tough question..
KrevZabijak: lol @ par, yes. someone older than thou
RKCoon: not so much
lady_aliana274: lots just want to be popular..
RKCoon: the term has been so BADLY abused by a multitude of peeps goin thru the online communities its lost all real meaning
* PapaSnorgle has no AARP card...
Zyd: it seems to me that anyone who wants to be an elder just sort of decides they are
Zyd: and this isn't the only community this happens in
* Sanguinarius thinks of Elders as those who have been in the community for a long time and done a lot for it, helped and guided other vamps etc
RKCoon: exactly zyd
* SphynxCatVP agrees with Zyd
RKCoon: its VERY often a self claimed title
Sanguinarius: developed the community
Zyd: it's not something unique to this community at all trust me
Zyd: you see it in all communities
* Irony nods
LunaCarmesi: Sanguinarius, i do not know muh of elders that that is what i have been taught
Hank_Riker: I agree that
Zyd: people who just decide they are expers
Zyd: experts
KrevZabijak: I just hope calling someone an elder doesn't give them undue.. whatever isn't due.... xD *Is becoming less and less sober as the beast gets more annoying*
Irony: I remember a bunch of elders being newbies
Zyd: the only problem with that is, when it's the blind leading the blind
RKCoon: luna - if i may, who "taught" you?
lady_aliana274: An elder is one who is respected in there own houses and communites. One who has been around for a while. Sangi and Sphynx. would be considered elders... in my opinion
Sanguinarius: that too
SphynxCatVP: and I just call myself the resident old fart instead
lady_aliana274: just 2 off the top of my head.
Hank_Riker: I'm farty too! :-P
Adevarat: Sangi..what of those who have helped out the community but locally and not online. Do they get the same "title"? I have seen some act like if one hasnt been online for 10 yrs then they dont deserve the title
lady_aliana274: (smile
LunaCarmesi: my fiance is a Psi vamp who been in community in NYC
VanArtsdalen2: So lady you are saying there can be no independant elders?
Adevarat: Im just asking
LunaCarmesi: he has guided me through many questions as well as me reading up on things
Parasina: Ah, Guests have arrived. Glad I had the opportunity to drop in. Be well everyone. I will be looking for that transcript, Sangi. Off to hostess!
KrevZabijak: But when it comes down to it, I want to be honest here. I am so glad, so very grateful, that as of yet, to my knowledge... no internet memes or 2chan/4chan speak have entered the OVC.
Sanguinarius: what did we finallydecide to call me? It was in that one log..about the Super duper Grand Highest COuncil inthe World...or something?
LunaCarmesi: he is ronin at this point
KrevZabijak: Have fun Par
lady_aliana274: no I am not saying that
Parasina: : You too.
Sanguinarius: lemme get the URL, this was hilarious
RKCoon: they watch, krev. check out somethingaweful sometime.
RoxxAnn: Bye Parasina
RKCoon: they tore a nice one off of SM XDD
KrevZabijak: I know, and ED.
KrevZabijak: I'm talking about 'our people'.
VvMistressLeolavV: (sorry couldn't get internet working
KrevZabijak: for example elder = oldvamp, awakened = newvamp
KrevZabijak: You know, that would make me die inside.
Sanguinarius: The Supremest High Vampire Council in the Whole World!
RoxxAnn: :
Sanguinarius: http://www.sanguinarius.org/articles/high-vampire-council.shtml
RKCoon: oh crap like that
Adevarat: so will anyone answer my other question please
Sanguinarius: Ad, what was your question? (Sorry
LunaCarmesi: what was the other question?
RKCoon: will i need to strangle you for that link, sangi?
Sanguinarius: RK, yes you will! :D
VanArtsdalen2: Krev what would you consider oldvamp though? Someone older in age?
Adevarat: Sangi..what of those who have helped out the community but locally and not online. Do they get the same "title"? I have seen some act like if one hasnt been online for 10 yrs then they dont deserve the title
lady_aliana274: I would actually be considered an independant elder myself. whithin my own town I have been here for about 12 years now. awakened for 20.
Sanguinarius: hmmm...
SphynxCatVP: ============ TOPICS ON THE FLOOR =========================
SphynxCatVP: 1. How long have you gone without feeding?
SphynxCatVP: 2. What changes, discomforts and ailments, increased/decreased sensitivities, abilities, etc. have you experienced since you have not been feeding?
SphynxCatVP: 3.) For those who have gone a year or years (how long?, have these gotten worse or better over time?
SphynxCatVP: 4. Other considerations or topics you'd like to discuss?
SphynxCatVP: ==========================================================
KrevZabijak: @ Van: I really don't care about such things.
KrevZabijak: oh no *Picks them up off the floor and places them on the shelf*
Sanguinarius: locally would count. Locally is very important
Hank_Riker: Adevarat - Hmm. I thought that was answered in context, but perhaps not.
Adevarat: well it scrolls fast I may have missed something
Fooln: @adevarat I don't see a big difference in helping online and offline...
SphynxCatVP: Adevarat, what was the other question?
VvMistressLeolavV: *hands Krev a dust rag*
SphynxCatVP: or questions?
Adevarat: that was my second one
SphynxCatVP: sorry, scrollying by my screen
Sanguinarius: yes please restate them?
Adevarat: i repasted it
Sanguinarius: ok
VanArtsdalen2: it's kind of like though if someone who's a vampire that's helped locally tries going in an online discussion they aren't well known so they still get treated like a new kid.
LunaCarmesi: here is a question...can vampyrism be passed down from parent to child?
Hank_Riker: LunaCarmesi - I believe it can be genetic.
RKCoon: thats an iffy one, Luna, but i would say, why not?
Adevarat: I havent seen it get passed personally..not saying it couldnt I guess
SphynxCatVP: LadyCG relates that she has vampire children
Sanguinarius: Just because someone hasn't been online doing stuff doesn't mean they aren't active in their community offline
RKCoon: onh her kids are vamps yes.
Adevarat: but is it true vampirism or learned behaviour?
RKCoon: that i can attest to.\
VvMistressLeolavV: @ Luna I believe so. I have two children that are both showing possible vampiric traits. One if 6 and one is 4. So I believe it.
VanArtsdalen2: It seems like recessive gene but if one is a vampire it's dominant in that person so even if the other person doesn't carry the gene it's still possible to be passed on.
Hank_Riker: LunaCarmesi - My father, and his cousins all were "symptomatic" but "un-diagnosed" if you like...
LunaCarmesi: i'm not sure if it is learned behavior in my child, but she asks questions and i give her honest answers
KrevZabijak: If it is genetic, it would be nice to be able to isolate the gene or genes for it. But then that begs the question, if the gene lies dormant in 'mundane' people.. what are they capable of that we are as well?
LunaCarmesi: she has a keen sense of understanding them as well, which is odd for me
RKCoon: youll want to be careful there, luna
SphynxCatVP: I believe it runs in my family, on the paternal side - as Hank says, "symptomatic" but "undiagnosed"
KrevZabijak: *agrees with RK yet again*
RKCoon: i know of some thath ave lost thier kids by tellingthem of vampirism
SphynxCatVP: My "vampdar" has pinged on a few family members
VvMistressLeolavV: If nothing else I believe that any vampires that have kids would at least be sensative
RKCoon: wow i am aggreable tonight :p
Sanguinarius: lol
SphynxCatVP: I certainly didn't learn it from my family, lol
VvMistressLeolavV: *their kids I mean
LunaCarmesi: i only give answers i deem ok to give her, i don't push it
* RKCoon whacks spynx with a dead trout for theterm vampdar
LunaCarmesi: sometimes i tell her she will understand better when she is older
Adevarat: lol
SphynxCatVP: got a better one, RK?
SphynxCatVP: :
VvMistressLeolavV: @Sphynx I use that term too!
RKCoon: you either sence it, or not
lady_aliana274: is vampdar like gaydar? im dumb...lol
SphynxCatVP: yea
SphynxCatVP: :
Sanguinarius: yup
KrevZabijak: jeez
LunaCarmesi: lol
VvMistressLeolavV: @lady a -- yes it is! lol
diss: my vampdar has pinged twice.
LunaCarmesi: i like that word...vampdar
Adevarat: just to clarify myself...I am not saying it cant be passed down, or that it IS learned behaviour..I was just curious
* RKCoon falls over
lady_aliana274: its fun to say..
SphynxCatVP: that's ok
KrevZabijak: *Facepalm*
Wynne: i spaced out whats we talking about?
VvMistressLeolavV: @Adevarat curious though as children are very impressionable
VanArtsdalen2: I think my vampdar is broken... Cries I'm broken!
RKCoon: i would say it could be both really. but in my personal case, i know of no examples in my family but my family tree doesnt go very far in detail
VvMistressLeolavV: *tweaks Van Arts vampdar*
Adevarat: yes I would like to know f anyone that has children with signs has had them physically checked for issues that could be physical
hirudo: I don't think anyone else in my family were vamps, but unfortunately most of them are dead so it's hard to tell.
* KrevZabijak installs a short-wave vampdar jammer.
RoxxAnn: my family tree too, i don't have much info on mine
* RKCoon is one that screws up everyones insert name-dar
Sanguinarius: Hiya DF2009
DF2009: Hello
Hank_Riker: Adevarat - If LadyCG ever gets back online, that would be a great question for her.
SphynxCatVP: Darkfire!
RKCoon: i wouldnt bank on that, from what ive head
RKCoon: heard
SphynxCatVP: what have you heard?
Adevarat: does she ever go on her myspace? I used to have her. I guess I could write her
Sanguinarius: Topics on the floor are The Possible Effects of Extended Non-Feeding.
Sanguinarius: 1. How long have you gone without feeding?
Sanguinarius: 2. What changes, discomforts and ailments, increased/decreased sensitivities, abilities, etc. have you experienced since you have not been feeding?
Sanguinarius: 3.) For those who have gone a year or years (how long?, have these gotten worse or better over time?
Sanguinarius: 4. Other considerations or topics you'd like to discuss?
Orthaevelve: LOL nice
Sanguinarius: :D
Orthaevelve: sorry I am late. It's been a wierd day
RKCoon: shes consigned herself to WOW, apparentyly in yet another dramatical hissyfit
Sanguinarius: better late than never
RKCoon: thats what ive heard
SphynxCatVP: no wonder she hasn't answered my emails
Merticus: WoW has a tendency to suck lives away from people.
Sanguinarius: I hope she doesn't let the Vampiric Library fall by the wayside
VanArtsdalen2: ... nothing wrong with dramatic hissyfits...
Irony: CG started playing WoW?
Hank_Riker: RKCoon - I thought her computer was fried, and that was the issue. Although, she has gotten lost in WoW before, so it's possible.
Sanguinarius: so does Second Life... :>
LunaCarmesi: my daughter is a healthy and lively lilttle girl, but she carries the same genes as far as sensing others emotions, and sometimes she becomes lethargic in which i will hold her and she stares at me, then it's liek she's alive again
LunaCarmesi: i don't know what to think of it at all and it's really quite confusing
VvMistressLeolavV: @Luna has she gone to the doctor to rule out mundane issues
VvMistressLeolavV: ?
RKCoon: i wouldnt know directly - i livei n the same province but not the same side of it as her. and we are both happyer that way
Orthaevelve: Luna, not to be rude but I was wondering that too
Adevarat: how old is she?
LunaCarmesi: yes, she is as healthy as healthy can be
RKCoon: 42 last i heard?
KrevZabijak: And please don't insult doctors again, it hurts my little heart xD
Adevarat: her child lol
LunaCarmesi: she is 7 going on 8
VvMistressLeolavV: Not insulting anyone. It's my first question.
RKCoon: oh lol
LunaCarmesi: which is why it's confusing, he's so young still
LunaCarmesi: she, sorry
KrevZabijak: Kids are amazingly good at that in my opinion
KrevZabijak: As we grow older, some of us shed the willingless to remain so
RKCoon: speaking of kids - how many of you folks have gotten cornered by kids, askin if you were vamp (or otherkin in general?
Adevarat: I hate to ask this...but has she been tested for autism? the "spacing out" staring made me wonder
VvMistressLeolavV: I have a very odd connection to my son...more than time to type here and nothing medical that we can see. Perhaps she is very sensative to your needs?
Orthaevelve: Or possible tics as well
RKCoon: which she?
VvMistressLeolavV: Sorry @Luna her daughter
Orthaevelve: Same here
Sanguinarius: if anyone is a parent of vampire(s) or a vampire parent (otr both I'm on the lookout for article tips, advice, etc for the Parents section of my site... please send anything you got to submissions@sanguinarius.org
LunaCarmesi: well, she does live in the house 4 days out of the week with 2 vamps, so i'm wondering if it is just "rubbing" off on her...not to be rude
SphynxCatVP: RK > Not me - yet
* Sanguinarius begs shamelessly
LunaCarmesi: i have thought of testing her for autism but have not done so
RKCoon: ive gotten it more than a few times
VvMistressLeolavV: *nods at Sang*
LunaCarmesi: ~ah, worried now
DF2009: @Luna: Define lethargic?
Adevarat: autism seems to be making itself more prevalant now days, I would test her hun just to make sure
RKCoon: lethargic - lacking motivation to move and do work
Sanguinarius: I wonder why that is?
lady_aliana274: <---- sad because she cant have kids.....
RKCoon: no?
Orthaevelve: Agreed. Also have the doctors check for vitamin deficienc and allergies
Adevarat: I dont know Sangi
LunaCarmesi: tired, no energy at all...doesn't want to talk, this is how she acts
VvMistressLeolavV: @Koon everyone defines it slightly diff he was asking for clarification
DF2009: ok
Adevarat: you need to get her checked. When I was 7 I was hyper all the time
VvMistressLeolavV: @lady a (sorry sweetie(
LunaCarmesi: but when i hold her, she looks at me and after awhile smiles then goes off and runs about as if she were never like that
KrevZabijak: Luna, thyroid is a big possibility.
lady_aliana274: i love kids...
DF2009: I'd agree with Adevarat...it could be autism showing up
Irony: I went through some things like that. I have temporal lobe epilepsy. There are lots of things that should be looked at if you are concerned.
lady_aliana274: its ok...
Orthaevelve: Thyroid and autism seem in my experience to actually commonly associate with vampirism
LunaCarmesi: this is something i will have to figure out over time i suppose
RKCoon: yea, thats the thing tho - go to a dozen shrinks, get TWO dozen different diagnosis
Adevarat: my friends nephew was 6 or 7 when he got diagnosed
Sanguinarius: brb
Seph: Luna-- what grade is she in school?
VvMistressLeolavV: *nods with Orth*
Irony: Though my brother was just as vague and he was just like that because he was up half the night listening to the radio.
LunaCarmesi: 2nd
LunaCarmesi: extremely smart kid
Orthaevelve: Have you tried asking her why she sometimes seems to act listless/
RoxxAnn: sorry lady aliana274. we have to learn to be satisfied with what we can get *sigh*
lady_aliana274: i know this is a bit personaly but I dont do the female thing.. if you know what I mean...
Fooln: @KrevZabijak ok if I pm you?
Seph: My brother was diagnosed at the same age with Ausbergers. He's amazingly bright, but it became evident that he was different.
LunaCarmesi: Sanguinarius, you mentioned you have articles on vamp parents and children?
VvMistressLeolavV: Sang noted brb....I think it's on the site
Orthaevelve: Yes. Aspergers kids are brilliant, they just seem to have issues with socializations
lady_aliana274: i havent for about 10 years now.
LunaCarmesi: oh, ok
SphynxCatVP: Luna > she WANTS articles
LunaCarmesi: she does seem different with other kids, but plays along with them just as fine
DF2009: I'd still have her tested if its causing a problem for her...if it comes back negative then it's possible she's achieving a trance-like state...but always better to rule out the psychological before going to the parapsychological
VvMistressLeolavV: @Luna maturity level?
LunaCarmesi: my daughters maturity level?
Orthaevelve: Absolutely DF2009
RoxxAnn: I agree orthaevelve. ask her
Sanguinarius: yes, lemme get the url for you...it's not much there atm...hoping to develop it more soonish
LunaCarmesi: like any normal 7/8 y/o...acts like she is 16 at times
Sanguinarius: but I need parents' help
VvMistressLeolavV: @Luna --was wondering something. ty
Adevarat: you said she lives with vamps 4 days a week...so Im guessing she is elsewhere for weekends. Ask that person how she acts with them
LunaCarmesi: oh thank you very much
Sanguinarius: http://www.sanguinarius.org/parents.shtml
Seph: Luna-- could it be a change in diet or a climate/ weather change?
SphynxCatVP: ...... Just to touch on another point, kids may not necesarily be autistics as just BORED OUTTA THEIR MINDS
LunaCarmesi: she is worse with her father...defiant, but also spoiled living with him
Kroh: brb
RKCoon: Sphynx, i wholeheartedly agree
LunaCarmesi: not a bad kid, but he doesn't pay much attention to her
KrevZabijak: @fool yeah sorry was in another window xD Go ahead and PM
SphynxCatVP: speaking as a kid who WAS thought of as retared when young....
Seph: Does she get lethargic on certain days, or after not being in the sun for a while?
Orthaevelve: That's true too sphynxcat. I spent mmost of my childhood reading instead of play
DF2009: that could be part of it too, Luna
Adevarat: but does she go into the staring thing there? if not, she could be picking up on how you live
VvMistressLeolavV: @Luna-- That could be a HUGE part of it!
RKCoon: its FAR more often thingsl ike the kids are bored, lonely or otherwise needing something to do
SphynxCatVP: and yes, I *WAS* bored outta my ever lovin' mind
sarasvati: Sorry I am late
LunaCarmesi: the lethargy comes and goes at any time really
KrevZabijak: Sarasvati! <3
SphynxCatVP: Saras! *hugs*
Adevarat: hello saras
SphynxCatVP: Hi Melkia!
Orthaevelve: I actually had my parents called in to conferences due to prefering reading over play
Sanguinarius: Greetings melkia
Irony: Ninjavet <3
Orthaevelve: Ah, Saras, I have heard good things about you from Sphynxcat
RKCoon: same here. i was in a real dive of a town living far away from people to boot, so ya i seemed odd.
RKCoon: still do. :p
SphynxCatVP: I was reading an average of 4 grades above my actual grade in school - I couldn't *help* but be bored
VvMistressLeolavV: @Luna could even be something 'simple' like lymes. There is a ton of that near me with similar symptoms
LunaCarmesi: Orth...i have asked her many times if she was tired or what's wrong, and i get "nothing is wrong mommy" in response
DF2009: the lethargy might be her being depressed regarding the family situation. Issues with her father, differences in social environments, etc
* Adevarat agrees
VvMistressLeolavV: *nods at DF who seems to be on her wavelength*
* Hank_Riker pounces t e h sarasvati
Orthaevelve: Not sure then, Luna. I am definitely not a doctor or psychiatrist
RoxxAnn: I went into trances when I was a small child, when i wasn't needed. i'd sit there, my mind would go elsewhere. i don't think anyone cared. i think they liked it
melkia: hay u SC :D
melkia: how are u i have missed u
Seph: Luna-- Could it be a change in diet? Also, does she tend to be lethargic on certain days, times of the year, or during certain weather patterns?
Sanguinarius: I need to pster Sylvere for parents info
LunaCarmesi: i have wondered of the depression thing as well
* Sanguinarius perks up abour depression
Orthaevelve: The symptoms of that are more like losing interest in favorite activities, difficulty sleeping and waking up and eating changes
LunaCarmesi: she claims to get headaches when it is hot outside, she is more lively in the winter
VvMistressLeolavV: @ Luna depression in kids can mimic so many other things. I was diagnosed as clinically depressed at age 5
Orthaevelve: yeah, depression and bipolar seem very common in vamps
Adevarat: Im like that in weather
Sanguinarius: egad!
KrevZabijak: That's just too early
LunaCarmesi: and same here Orth...when i was 10
Sanguinarius: I have depression
KrevZabijak: *shakes head*
VvMistressLeolavV: not according to those that 'know'
RKCoon: i had far bigger reasons to be depressed as a kid than vampirism
Orthaevelve: clinically so do I, but controlled by medication
Adevarat: I have depression but Im not bipolar
Merticus: MDD and Bipolar are very common, along with panic attacks and other anxiety issues.
Sanguinarius: I have for years. I take Lexapro for it
KrevZabijak: I don't have depression, but do have PTSD.
LunaCarmesi: well, i know i must keep taking her to the docs but i felt it would not hurt to ask amongst you all
VvMistressLeolavV: *nods at Merticus*
Orthaevelve: my brother is a carrier of the vamp gene, and is bipolar
Adevarat: I dont take anything , I used to
LunaCarmesi: poor kid..i hate to put my daughter through all this
RKCoon: Orth - explain the idea of "Carrier of the vamp gene" if you please?
Orthaevelve: yeah, I do sympathize
DF2009: Luna: I'd suggest trying a couple sessions with a family counselor...it could be as simple as stress and anxiety due to socially created environmental issues. Counselors are different from "shrinks" they generally look for behavioral causes rather than purely psychological ones
Orthaevelve: Sorry, personal theory. That is that vampirism is a gene or set of genes that is recessive
lady_aliana274: I really wish we could push a button and be able to get rid of all that plagues us...
KrevZabijak: DF : exactly, i agree
VvMistressLeolavV: I was trying to point out that it could be so many things or it could be something simple like attention from only one parent. :(
Orthaevelve: Can be carried and even in vamps is dormant till activated by external circumstances
Sanguinarius: it's possible it might be that or a syndrome
Orthaevelve: Potentially. I wondered for a while if it might be caused by a prion
LunaCarmesi: i will have to look into counseling...i feel it would be good for her as well
SphynxCatVP: could be one of many things, I keep hoping somethign will turn up that'll be a key
Adevarat: what circumstances would trigger it in your opinion?
Sanguinarius: a prion?
RoxxAnn: I have been diagnosed with dysthymic type depression, but am not on medication. they tried a few medications. one worked for a while. they let me off after i awakened said i didn't need med anymore. when i don't feed now, i want to ask for medication
Orthaevelve: prions are wierd bits of misfolded protien
Hank_Riker: Orthaevelve - I also feel that it is probably genetic, but I don't know if it would be coded by a single gene, or perhaps as a series of mutations. Is there a geneticist in the house?!
Seph: I've been diagnosed with Seasonal Affective Disorder, or Seasonal Depression
Orthaevelve: and triggers would probably be a high fever or being in a state of physical or psychological shock during puberty
VvMistressLeolavV: @Roxxann I know what you mean. Meds don't work for me either.
* SphynxCatVP giggles at Hank :)
Orthaevelve: still just a theory though
RoxxAnn: prion as in mad cow +orthaevelve?
SphynxCatVP: what teen *DOESN'T* go through some kinda of trauma, even if it's just dramadramadramallama
Orthaevelve: Hank, I wish. I would love to see some testing on this
VvMistressLeolavV: *agrees with Sphynz
Adevarat: true Sphynx
Orthaevelve: yes Roxx, but that theory does not seem to hold up under scrutiny
sarasvati: I genetic, it would have to be multi-gene based, not a singe gene. Otherwise it would follow basic mendelian principles of transmission... and we don't see that
fallen02: whoa
Sanguinarius: 'ello there fallen02
RKCoon: greetings fallen
fallen02: so many
fallen02: hello everyone
KrevZabijak: *nods @ Sar*
* sarasvati is not a geneticist... but adores genetics :)
Adevarat: ello
RoxxAnn: nods (to vvmistressleo
RKCoon: agreed sphynx
Orthaevelve: sarasvati, I agree. It would have to be a set of genes, perhaps even associated with other symptoms outside vampirism
VvMistressLeolavV: You can call me Leola
Sanguinarius: brb again
Sanguinarius: heya Isealdor
RoxxAnn: I don't know much about prions
Adevarat: heya
* Isealdor waves and is back
Sanguinarius: The prion of Sciery
* Sanguinarius giggles and runs off
Adevarat: lol
Orthaevelve: Roxx, the bits I know are from articles and chatty lab techs during my hospital rotations
RoxxAnn: Oh
VvMistressLeolavV: *laughs at Sang*
RoxxAnn: :
RoxxAnn: Xang
DF2009: If vampirism is genetic (which I also feel is the best theory then it is likely a series of genes turned on or off in a specific sequence that's unique. I seriously doubt it is a single "vamp" gene. Autism, for example cause it was mentioned earlier, is produced by three or four genes.
Orthaevelve: definitely a combination of genes is most likely
Hank_Riker: VvMistressLeolavV - Certainly, with informed consent.
melkia: do u guys know when teh new episodes of parranamal state is coming on
VvMistressLeolavV: Bye!
VvMistressLeolavV: *nods to Hank*
Adevarat: Michelle said they are filming for the fall season
hirudo: Lol, we think alike,Sarasvati.
fallen02: is there like, a special event happening in here, cuz this many people, actually talking, is quite rare in here
KrevZabijak: lol @ sang (late lol at the oblivion joke
LunaCarmesi: as far as i know, there is no known autism on either side of my daughters family (mine or her fathers
RoxxAnn: +Orthaevelve, yes, a doctor was worried about me eating raw meat, the prions part. I'm not afraid. I will eat raw cow brain soon. grassfed.
Orthaevelve: Ah Hirudo, good to meet you. I have respected your writing for some time
Hank_Riker: fallen02 - Well, for me, I'm curious in the current topic, which yes, is a special event.
Isealdor: @VvMistressLeolavV: Genetic and DNA testing with consent of the people being tested is perfectly legal, just expensive
KrevZabijak: There were 40+ earlier
sarasvati: I have in the past compared it to Down's syndrome mutiion because it can occur spontaneously and in family lines. A heritable mutation and a spontaneous one.
Orthaevelve: Doctors do worry RoxxAnn, as we are not totally certain of all the transmission vectors
melkia: she never emailed me back :(( oh well i know she is the bussy
lady_aliana274: <----- wishes she was smart enough to write clever articles... was a metal head in school...
hirudo: Thanks, Orthaevelve. Is that my old essays or my posts on the VCMB?
Orthaevelve: Sarasvati, that makes a lot of sense actualyl
VvMistressLeolavV: @Isealdor was curious as I've never heard it done outside of paternity issues or genetic diseases
LunaCarmesi: Aliana, lol...i feel ya there
RoxxAnn: Bye Azure Phoenix
sarasvati: Expensive, and you have to know what you are looking for. You can't just say "find the vamp gene!" and POOF there they go... there is enough minor and major mutation between people that all the "normal" has to be eliminated first.
LunaCarmesi: brb
Orthaevelve: The really old essays, Hirudo. I have not been online and active much lately
VvMistressLeolavV: *nods at saras*
RKCoon: i find the thought of them finding gene/s for vampirism and kin horrifyin
lady_aliana274: @luna yeah girl my attention span is as good as a puppy.
RKCoon: g
Isealdor: @sarasvati exactly, so much hasnt been determined yet as to what it is, what it causes, etc
RoxxAnn: I know how much doctors study. I calm them down often enough
VvMistressLeolavV: @Koon why?
RoxxAnn: My son helps them understand too
RKCoon: short answer? ever watch XMen
RKCoon: ?
KrevZabijak: xD
VvMistressLeolavV: @Koon fair enough.
VanArtsdalen2: mm, I have chocolate birthday cake calling my name so I shall get off now. Have a good evening everyone.
Adevarat: night
VvMistressLeolavV: night
* SphynxCatVP grins
hirudo: Orthaevelve- you might be pleased to know that I've been working on a new one
Orthaevelve: Send it my way sometime, Hirudo if you are interested in cross posting it to House Eclipse
lady_aliana274: brb<---- b.r. break
Sanguinarius: bak
Sanguinarius: sorry about that, folks
SphynxCatVP: hirudo, I'd be interested in posting it, if you don't mind, when you get it done
VvMistressLeolavV: I'd be fine if I could just find a donor by me. Then all my medical issues would cease as they have ever time I'm well fed.
Orthaevelve: Have you tried substitutes?
VvMistressLeolavV: I've tried so many......and they all fail
Sanguinarius: you might give the Vam-P3ersonals a try http://www.vampersonals.com
Orthaevelve: dark, spiced chocolate, berries, antioxidant rich foods..
SphynxCatVP: ...vitamins....
Adevarat: Sangi isnt there a black swan section on your forum?
melkia: ooooo vamp peroanials
hirudo: Sphynxcat-I might well do. I have been considering the VCMB but it'd be prefferable to have it somewhere easily available for all.
Sanguinarius: I think so
Irony: Fish, beets and pickles help me.
Orthaevelve: Ahh yes, Sphynx's vitamin regimen is amazing
LunaCarmesi: i have been on a few websites for donors but have not gotten any responses or real interests
Adevarat: she could look there for a swan near her
VvMistressLeolavV: Vitamins actually help alot but blood is the only thing that stops the migraines.
Hank_Riker: Yeah, we need to write up the whole vitamin regimen.
Sanguinarius: yes
LunaCarmesi: besides, the closest near me of even remotely finding an actual donor would be NYC and it's quite hard for me to just up and travel like tht
Orthaevelve: Feeder rats or bred for meat rabbits are what I use when I am between donors
RoxxAnn: organic or wild berries are very nice. cacao is pretty good. but they are not the same
SphynxCatVP: Oh, the migraines? I get welding glasses, shade 5's
VvMistressLeolavV: @Luna I'm in NY too
KrevZabijak: Are there any boards as mature and active like VCMB?
Hank_Riker: That is what I use on a daily basis. We're lucky that I can afford it, as I know it can be expensive.
SphynxCatVP: torch glasses come in all kinds of stylish models
Orthaevelve: or snow goggles help me
VvMistressLeolavV: @Sphynx I live for sunglasses and dark shades
Sanguinarius: VvMistressLeolavV, I'm not sure. I have not had a migraine since I've moved out here and that's a little over a year
Merticus: @ Sphyx - interesting, we use the same things here
Sanguinarius: although I nearly had one a couple nights ago
LunaCarmesi: no need to answer if wish not to Mistress Leo, but around what area?
SphynxCatVP: No surprise Mert most effective things for blocking UV
Merticus: Sphynx rather
Isealdor: @Krev there are several
VvMistressLeolavV: no big I'm in the Hudson Valley
LunaCarmesi: me too!
Orthaevelve: vitamins help, but I honestly don't mind animal blood
RKCoon: i do wear shades and a hat at almost all times when im outside. i try to avoid sunscreen by wearing heavy clothing or just avoiding the sun
VvMistressLeolavV: @Luna can I PM you?
Merticus: Zero picked up a case of them and passed them out lol
Sanguinarius: "here" for me being outaide of Tucson, AZ
LunaCarmesi: i would be delighted if you did
RoxxAnn: fish and beets maybe irony, pickles, i can't stant them anymore. I need land animal, omnivorous land animal, raw eating animal, i need it raw and juicy
Sanguinarius: I love pickles! :D~~~
lady_aliana274: come to Houton and live in 125 degree hottness...... yuck!
Irony: Pickled eggs work wonders for the bitey reflex
LunaCarmesi: usually i can not go out of the house anymore wihtout sunglasses, otherwise my head kills me
lady_aliana274: houston*
RKCoon: eeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwww
Irony: Meat never really did so much for me.
Orthaevelve: Meh, the meat I give to friends to eat. I just juice them first
RKCoon: i saw 125 in downtown toronto. tha
RKCoon: that was hell
RoxxAnn: yep on the snow goggles
Orthaevelve: the rabbits or rats that is
Irony: I guess everything is relative
SphynxCatVP: Hank's suggested running the steaks through a juicer on occasion.....
hirudo: Sphynx- I got bug-eye style sunglasses a little while ago, they're pretty good as they cover most of the eye socket.
VvMistressLeolavV: <--LOVES steak
SphynxCatVP: hirudo- I'm using Astrospec OTG's from Uvex
Orthaevelve: blech
RoxxAnn: vitamin injections, sublinguinal, etc are not enough
lady_aliana274: no wonder the vamps stay inside down here.....lol
Hank_Riker: Well, but we have never tried it. So I can't validate it.
SphynxCatVP: I have prescrip lenses, which kinda necessitate something that size
Irony: Are those the ones I have sphynx?
RoxxAnn: some of those vitamins give me symptoms that don't go away for years
SphynxCatVP: Irony- Yes
SphynxCatVP: RoxxAnn, like what?
Irony: Those are some awesome glasses:
RoxxAnn: it's called beef tea i think
DF2009: By juicer...do you mean a press? or for instance a lemon juicer?
Sanguinarius: like what symptoms?
Orthaevelve: I would use a blender
SphynxCatVP: No, I mean like a veggie juice
RoxxAnn: i don't like steak
RoxxAnn: nor burger, nor any of that, not from beef, maybe bison
Orthaevelve: Meat in general tastes like chemicals to me. I can't stand that taste in beef and pork, so I don't eat them
Adevarat: filet mignon is my fav, I cant imagine going without
VvMistressLeolavV: a blender for steak?
Orthaevelve: all game meat tastes good though
VvMistressLeolavV: OH! sorry
KrevZabijak: Steak + blender = tartare
Hank_Riker: DF2009 - We have a fairly high end juicer. I'll get the info.
RoxxAnn: I got b vitamin injections that gave me muscle agglutinations that wouldn't go away
Sanguinarius: *cave Sangu voice* MEAT! MEAT GOOD!
Adevarat: lol
RoxxAnn: norwalk juicers press, right?
* RKCoon hides the blade i had near sangi
Orthaevelve: Vitamin injections are actually pretty hazardous in general. Oral is safer
DF2009: DF is fine...no need to add the year
SphynxCatVP: RoxxAnn, Ahhh, that makes sense... sounds like they stuck them in the wrong spot :(
Sanguinarius: lol
RKCoon: im an innocent 0:-
* SphynxCatVP prefers vitamins in capsules, they digest better
VvMistressLeolavV: @Roxxann have you tried just reg multi-vits?
melkia: for craps sake i have to pay for it
RoxxAnn: i can't stand meat except the best sources. the rest taste like chemical cleansers to me
DF2009: DF2009 sounds too much like HAL-9000
Hank_Riker: http://www.brevilleusa.com/products/bje820xl/index.jsp?sku=bje820xl&cID=231&pID=60&pvID=60&pvHide=true
SphynxCatVP: Grassfed beef I've found has less chemically processed flavors than typical cornfed
Orthaevelve: Beef and pork taste like that to me RoxxAnn
Isealdor: @DF could always change your nick...
Sanguinarius: HAL-9000 is our frie..uh..no, he's not..never mind...
Isealdor: aw, but...<3 HAL
VvMistressLeolavV: *pokes DF until his nick changes*
DF2009: DarkFire was taken and I wasn't feeling creative
KrevZabijak: i can't let you do that, Sangi
KrevZabijak: Don't press that button, Sangi
RoxxAnn: my hydrochloric acid was always low. i don't digest pills well. subling maybe
KrevZabijak: xD
Sanguinarius: *pouts* why nooottt???
hirudo: Sphynxcat- I think I'm the only vamp who actually looks forward to summer. Just so long as my eyes are covered when I go out
KrevZabijak: I forgot the actual HAL quotes
VvMistressLeolavV: @Roxxann aha....
* SphynxCatVP chuckles @ Hirudo
Orthaevelve: Ugh, Hirudo I hate the heat
sarasvati: hirudo: Nope, cold and I disagree about a lot of things. I like summer
SphynxCatVP: You can have the heat :P
LunaCarmesi: i used to love summer here in NY, til lately the heat has gotten to me badly
Sanguinarius: I moved to Arizona..tell me about the heat
RoxxAnn: that's because they use chemicals in the factory meat process all through till you buy it
Adevarat: I hate it and Bama is the worst..ugh humidity
melkia: dannit !!!! i forgot to save my book i wa writeing when i reformated :(
Isealdor: @hirudo I like summer...at night
hirudo: I love the heat. I don't tolerate cold very well.
SphynxCatVP: Oh, that's interesting
Sanguinarius: Melkia, eergh oh no!!
SphynxCatVP: has that always been teh case?
KrevZabijak: Those chemicals are required by the FDA
Orthaevelve: I am the opposite. I like the cold but hate heat
DF2009: yes, NY this summer has been either sweltering or drenching
VvMistressLeolavV: NY sucks right now
Quiest: restarting, brb
Adevarat: I cant work my horses. When I get to the barn in the evening they are drenched in sweat. All I can do is hose them off
Orthaevelve: I am quite content to be in DC. I do miss visiting my friends in Georgia tough
lady_aliana274: its so hot here in houston even the roaches have a/c.
LunaCarmesi: indeed, NY does, i need a change, get out of this state
Adevarat: lol
VvMistressLeolavV: @Lady A -- LOL
RoxxAnn: my meat doesn't get near FDA
lady_aliana274: <---- is a fruit bat...
SphynxCatVP: *snerk*
DF2009: I <3 NY though
lady_aliana274: yur meat?
VvMistressLeolavV: brb
Orthaevelve: OOh, fruit bats are cute!
lady_aliana274: im gonna leave that on ealone.
SphynxCatVP: and fuzzy!
lady_aliana274: alone...jk
RoxxAnn: I love cold now. I haven't tolerated heat most of the time in eigteen years
melkia: ohh that reminds me sphynx can i refrence your site in my book i am wrhiting ?
SphynxCatVP: Absolutely!
hirudo: Sphynxcat- yep. It's only when it gets over 25 degrees celcuis here that I ditch the cardigan and can finally just wear one top.
SphynxCatVP: :
Hank_Riker: I refrained from commenting about 'meat'. Heh
melkia: good
VvMistressLeolavV: bak
melkia: ty
lady_aliana274: lmao @hank
SphynxCatVP: hirudo, interesting... I've alwyas been a cold freak, I could never tolerate the heat
VvMistressLeolavV: *looks at darkfire like he is crazy*
RKCoon: arent we alla bit bats tho? ;P
Orthaevelve: Same here sphynx
KrevZabijak: I can't sleep with more than one sheet at night :| i hate heat as well
RKCoon: meeeeeeaaaat MMMEEEAAAAAATTT
melkia: ok i got u and sangi now i need to speak with lono about askin if i can reffrence his site
DF2009: @Leola..I'm insane not crazy..there's a difference
melkia: then i am good
SphynxCatVP: what book are you writing?
* Hank_Riker chuckles - Well, batty perhaps. We sleep underground, so it's pretty chilly actually. Blanket time. Or at least with the AC running.
RKCoon: pfff ya i hate the heat. i like it much nicer when its below freezing rather than above it
lady_aliana274: i put a blanket on me and push it off like 5 seconds later.
Sanguinarius: yeah, where is that crazy fruitbat? *Sangi looks around*
Orthaevelve: Hey sangi, speaking of references, I would like to reference your vocab in my book
Sanguinarius: I thought he was here
* RKCoon puts a mirror infront of sangi
* SphynxCatVP laughs
lady_aliana274: u know what a fruit bat is????? that is so awesome
melkia: my life how i awakkend
melkia: and
melkia: my cp
SphynxCatVP: ahh, ok
melkia: how it all fits
Sanguinarius: how extensively? I have it s theDictionary of Vampspeak
Adevarat: brb rooting for food
VvMistressLeolavV: @DF yeah ok
Sanguinarius: Go check out my vampire dictionary, The Dictionary of Sanguinese (Second Edition, at http://www.lulu.com/content/1797153 and buy a copy! Heck, buy 20 copies! :D
Sanguinarius: well, Sanguinese
lady_aliana274: hee hee hee hee.......
RoxxAnn: i had tons of fruitbats in my yard and roof
DF2009: It's always better to be frozen and crawl under warm blankets...than be sweating trying to stay cool...imho
Orthaevelve: I am cross referencing that with other sites to make a huge guide to language and who invented what. So you are getting credit for originating a lot of terms
SphynxCatVP: my thought exactly
Sanguinarius: ok
SphynxCatVP: can't peel the skin off when you're sweating to death :P
VvMistressLeolavV: *dumps ice cubes down df's back* THere
lady_aliana274: but I am a nice fruitbat... I know when enough is enough... hee hee
Hank_Riker: DF2009 - Yeah, that is her view. But I often refer to the bedroom as "frozen food".
Orthaevelve: thanks, appreciated. The book should be out next year if my editor gets her butt in gear
Sanguinarius: a lot of the ones that are word-for-word or nearly word for words from the SanguinariuM were lent to them by me
SphynxCatVP: well, he does get a bit frozen.... *snerk*
Orthaevelve: I know and said that in my book. Repeatedly
Sanguinarius: so they didn't originate them
Adevarat: back
melkia: i will have to email MB again and ask her if i may talk about her book has helped me in my search to so ill have to email her again
Sanguinarius: that was when I was with COVICA
lady_aliana274: when I sweat my skin peels off... it is so gross...
Orthaevelve: Just like Sanguinarium ripped off Vi Johnson's stuff
VvMistressLeolavV: @ Sang 00COVICA?
DF2009: I have to wait to turn the AC on again apparently myself
LunaCarmesi: brb...on phone
Isealdor: @melkia she, like most of us, is incredibly busy. Realize it may take a good while to get a response
lady_aliana274: OMG
Sanguinarius: yeah, it's a now-defunct organization that tried to do what the VVC is doing
Sanguinarius: basically
RoxxAnn: I've been taking cold baths
VvMistressLeolavV: @Sang ah ok
melkia: ahh ok
lady_aliana274: i havent heard that term covica in a while.
Orthaevelve: wow I have been out of touch. VVC?
Sanguinarius: stood for Council Of Vampiric International Community AffaIRS
SphynxCatVP: OMG is that what COVICA stood for?
RoxxAnn: Sleeping in the snow in winter (clothed but no blankets nor tent
DF2009: Voices of the Vampire Community
VvMistressLeolavV: Who is the VVC?
Sanguinarius: what's the url for the VVC?
Orthaevelve: Okay. House Eclipse is not really keeping up with the community since we are basically an information source now
Isealdor: The public site for the VVC is at http://www.veritasvosliberabit.com/vvc.html
Sanguinarius: 'Ello 'ello gset
RoxxAnn: lady_aliana274, my skin always blistered and peeled from the sun. gave me no relief either. horrid
hirudo: Sphynxcat- My other half is still doesn't know how I can tolerate the temperature of the hot baths I have.
VvMistressLeolavV: @Koon thanks
Orthaevelve: definitely not my thing then.
gset: wow it's been a while... i'm surprised i rememberred the server lol. nice to see you sangi
lady_aliana274: i know right ...its a awful thing
SphynxCatVP: I never could find that out
VvMistressLeolavV: <--is now completely confused
lady_aliana274: lol
Sanguinarius: it's a networking and thinktank and project doing group, that is a loose affiliation of the major shakers and movers in the community
Hank_Riker: hirudo - I like scalding hot showers myself... Or used to. I've had to adapt with SphynxCatVP, as I like to shower with her. :-
Orthaevelve: *shrugs* I personally and House Eclipse in general don't support or take part in any community politics
Merticus: The VVC is primarily concerned with information and networking, not politics. That's left up the individual to pursue on their own time.
Isealdor: @VvMistressLeolavV, the VVC is an international networking group of people from various places and backgrounds within the community...some are authors, some run websites, some have been in the media, some are researchers, etc
Hank_Riker: SphynxCatVP is as close as I get to the community and politics. I'm more than content to stand on the sidelines.
RoxxAnn: i used to prefer luke warm to warm bath shower, now i prefer totally cold to cool
hirudo: Hank-Lol,my other half says my baths scald his dangly bits.
SphynxCatVP: ROFL
Orthaevelve: Understood, Sangi. I just don't enjoy interacting with most community members in general and cannot be high profiel
Sanguinarius: oh
Hank_Riker: hirudo - I can understand that. Thus the shower. So I can point the flow away from said dangly bits. :-P
Orthaevelve: I am a phlebotomist and do volunteer work in a public charity
Orthaevelve: I can't afford to have my nature outed
Sanguinarius: PAL!
* Sanguinarius scoots over by Orthaevelve
* SphynxCatVP laughs
VvMistressLeolavV: *nods at Orth*
Sanguinarius: understandable
Orthaevelve: Okay sangi, what do you need? *grins*
Isealdor: @Orthaevelve high profile doesnt always have to mean public
VvMistressLeolavV: brb
sarasvati: I understand that issue, Orthaevelve :P
Sanguinarius: nothin'
Adevarat: true
Sanguinarius: just people who know how to phlebotomize
Orthaevelve: I also do volunteer EMT work, so again, I am a bit paranoid
Sanguinarius: is that the word?
Orthaevelve: err, no.
Sanguinarius: ok, that's good coz that sounds....off, kinda
Isealdor: lol
Orthaevelve: Sangi, remind me, I am doing an article on feeding with fingerstick lancets
Sanguinarius: yes?
Sanguinarius: Hello BloodCat
Orthaevelve: Very safe and anyone can use them with about an hour of training
VvMistressLeolavV: bak again. Orth I was an EMT prior to kids and re-certing soon. Totally understood
Orthaevelve: Leolav, yes, I am due for recert in a year
Sanguinarius: can I repost the article on Sanguinarius?
LunaCarmesi: i know all about lancets...my mother is diabetic and she taught me how to use them for "emergency purposes" only
Sanguinarius: anyone with any articles to post on Sanguinarius plz send them to Submissions@sanguinarius.org
Orthaevelve: You have blanket permission to repost and link for any house eclipse articles, Sang
Orthaevelve: Sangi I mean
RKCoon: most of us who are real, cannot, Orth, however, such things are of minimal consequense for many part of the VVC.
Sanguinarius: sweet! Thanks muchly! :D
Orthaevelve: I respect you all for doing the VVC public relations thing, but I am a researcher and magician primarily.
Orthaevelve: By the way, blanket invite to any of you who end up in DC to look me up for coffee
Orthaevelve: Most likely on my part it is simple paranoia. however I am very easily identified visibly. Being covered in tattoos will do that
SphynxCatVP: fair enough Orthae
* Sanguinarius sips her coffee
Orthaevelve: Nothing to me. But I stick out in a crowd due to appearance as it is
Orthaevelve: Not at all. But my family live in a small town in Texas. Being outed as a vamp could cause grief for them due to my ties to my family
VvMistressLeolavV: Some of us especially with kids or in jobs around people could be more worried. If my family knew the real me I'm sure they could call me mental and threaten to take away my kids. No thanks.
Merticus: There is little risk inherent to being an active anonymous participant within a community largely conducted online. Otherwise I wouldn't be here myself.
RKCoon: thats just a given altogether on its own. the topic, as Orth said, is the personal risk associated with being a part of such groups that are deliberately - as individuals within - out
Orthaevelve: I suppose that I am just a bit jaded, having seen so many well meaning community organizations get sidetracked over the years
DF2009: Orth: I agree with you in that
RKCoon: Nicely said, Orth, Though id not be personally as generous as that.
Hank_Riker: Merticus - Same for myself, actually.
lady_aliana274: it is hard to know who is good and who is bad around the ovc unless you have very thick skin...
SphynxCatVP: ============ CHANNEL TOPICS ON THE FLOOR =========================
SphynxCatVP: 1. How long have you gone without feeding?
SphynxCatVP: 2. What changes, discomforts and ailments, increased/decreased sensitivities, abilities, etc. have you experienced since you have not been feeding?
SphynxCatVP: 3.) For those who have gone a year or years (how long?, have these gotten worse or better over time?
SphynxCatVP: 4. Other considerations or topics you'd like to discuss?
SphynxCatVP: =================================================================
Orthaevelve: I cannot imagine going more than a month without feeding
DF2009: I've gone recently almost a year without a solid feed
SphynxCatVP: Orthaevelve, with the vitamins, it might be possible for you
melkia: 4 months here
sarasvati: Did you mention what I had already passed on to you, Sphynx, already?
SphynxCatVP: sarasvati, no not yet
Orthaevelve: Two weeks unfed and I start having joint aches, hunger, migraines and difficulty digesting food
sarasvati: *doesn't wantto repeat what has already been repeasted*
hirudo: I gave up doing any interviews even before the Scarlet Moon went the way of the dodo. They're very rarely worth the time and aggro.
sarasvati: okie dokie
SphynxCatVP: Ah, ok, not yet then... well, I know the vitamin set does need to be tweaked still
Sanguinarius: what about longer times?
Orthaevelve: Possibly but even with the vitamins, four weeks of not feeding recently I was dealing with crippling heightened senses and weakness
melkia: i stoped feeding becuse i was depressed
RKCoon: might i pm you, orth?
lady_aliana274: I have 6 months or more without feeding but I get sick if I go longer than that.
melkia: and then i started again becuse i couldend deal with the enrgy depleasion
sarasvati: #1: 3 years from 1994-1997, then a couple years in undergraduate, and a couple years in graduate school.
Orthaevelve: certainly RKCoon
melkia: the affects were bad, lets just say that
DF2009: my ailments have been: insomnia to the tune of an hour or less of sleep a night, extreme sensitivity to light, and sound, gradually increasing depression, stress and anxiety
Adevarat: does anyone else have dizziness?
Orthaevelve: Yes, and nausea or lack of appetite
lady_aliana274: everyday.
melkia: i do notice when i dont feed i get very very angry and moody
sarasvati: #2: Diarrhea, inappetance, nausea, depression, irritability, insomnia, restlessness, aggression. Increased dry-mouth and migraine frequency. Increased eye problems. Muscle aches/pains at seeming random.
Adevarat: what about panic attacks?
KrevZabijak: No dizziness here.
VvMistressLeolavV: @Ad I used to get dizziness so bad when I would lay down that it would feel like I was on a rollarcoaster...haven't had that in a few months though.
melkia: ohh ill put that in my book
melkia: !!!!!!!
Zyd: what is your book about melkia?
Adevarat: thats vertigo. I have that
lady_aliana274: panik attacks yes..
VvMistressLeolavV: Panic Attacks are as bad as the migraines. They get worse the longer I go without feeding. I've heard this is very common among us
melkia: me and how vampirizam affects my CP
Orthaevelve: panic attacks no. Urge to attack people or animals, yes.
Adevarat: my panic got me so bad I stayed in my house for a year, no shit
SphynxCatVP: I haven't gotten panic attacks, but I've gotten very scatterbrained, like I can't keep track of anything for more than a short while
Hank_Riker: Adevarat - Occasionally, but I can't pin it down, and it's been mostly eliminated by Sphynx's vitamin regimen.
KrevZabijak: I have PA's but I do not relate them to my 'vampirism', only to PTSD and that's it.
VvMistressLeolavV: *nods at Orth Sounds like when I vamp out
DF2009: I tend to lose control of myself at increasing frequency the longer I go
RoxxAnn: i'm back
sarasvati: #3: Initially they get worse to a point, plateu, drop, and then go back and forth in frequency and severity. At a few months out, I stop keeping track because I am depressed about the whole thing.
VvMistressLeolavV: wb
VvMistressLeolavV: @Saras I missed -- how long have you gone without feeding?
Sanguinarius: Has anyone's symptoms lessened any over time?
DF2009: @Sara: I experience the rollercoaster affect as well
melkia: also when i feed i feel like my spasms are almot a non issues
VvMistressLeolavV: @Sang Mine are just getting worse......
melkia: sangi no just the opposite
lady_aliana274: i tend to be on a schedule if you will (for lack of a better term
sarasvati: VvMistressLeolavV: Three years aright after/while awakening, then a couple periods of two years while in college
lady_aliana274: it comes like clockwork for me.
Sanguinarius: how does that substitute work?
Sanguinarius: Is it something that you would be willing to share the formula/recipe?
Orthaevelve: For me, very well. If I made it for someone else, i would have to custom tailor it to their body
hirudo: Sangi-Not really, apart from the frequency of the migraines and the panic attacks subsided after about four years.
DF2009: unfortunely, the Sang method doesn't work for me
sarasvati: I should say that is without feeding from human blood, I did rely on subs in those stretches though found them to work less and less the longer I went.
Orthaevelve: Certainly, I would be quite willing but it is a pain in the ass and a two month project to make
Sanguinarius: hmm
RoxxAnn: mine do not lessen unless i feed, so far. maybe i can do some other kind of feeding in future. i don't know. for now i have to feed
lady_aliana274: just over the years of having the need to feed I have tried to control it the best I can.
Orthaevelve: In my experience you can control it to a point, but eventually it is like a boiling pot with a lid on it. If you don't let the Hunger out to play, eventually you will have an explosion
VvMistressLeolavV: I can psi feed in an emergency but it's like giving a diabetic a candy bar when they really need insulin....it helps for a day or two
lady_aliana274: I feel I am lucky enough to have a wonderful donor too. he is very giving.
Sanguinarius: To get your demented fortune, type -fortune
sarasvati: I wouldn't say my symptoms ever lessened, but they did eventually plateu except the "beasty/twoofy" problems that would rise and fall
VvMistressLeolavV: @ Lady A you are very lucky
Sanguinarius: how do you mean?
lady_aliana274: i never take it for granted...
VvMistressLeolavV: @Saras -- I am unclear about twoofing. Is that the hair pulling, writhing on the bed thing that happens after a major vamp out?
melkia: ya id agree the beasty hasent showed its self since i was younger
lady_aliana274: the bdsm we are into really helps.... lol (smile
Sanguinarius: twoofing = vamping out
VvMistressLeolavV: crying, screaming ect?
Orthaevelve: It takes a month for the herbs to soak in the vinegar, sangi, and then another month to calcine the ashes and remix them with some of the rarer ingredients
melkia: however
VvMistressLeolavV: oh okay...I thought twoofing and vamping out were slightly different
Orthaevelve: BDSM does help a LOT with twoofing
melkia: when i smell blood or see meat
melkia: i kinda well
melkia: ......
VvMistressLeolavV: *nods
DF2009: I agree with Orth: there is a tipping point in control. After enough time there is an rather instinctual and primal response that occurs.
* Sanguinarius 's eyes glaze over... so it's not something someone can just..make..any chance of marketting it?
melkia: still havent learnd how to control that
SphynxCatVP: yes
Orthaevelve: Sangi, I wish.
melkia: i dont get it i am a psi blood shouldent effect me
KrevZabijak: I saw herbs and vinegar, is there a good recipe I missed?
VvMistressLeolavV: @Orth is it something you just put together and it works or did you find a recipie for it?
melkia: or meat
RoxxAnn: i didn't plateau nonfeeding. I was getting so much sicker very fast. the doctors were afraid for my life
Orthaevelve: I put it together from blood building recipes and lots of herbalism research Leolav
KrevZabijak: @melkia: You may be influencing yourself with that exposure?
* Sanguinarius is tempted to beg for the formula anyway, just to document it
VvMistressLeolavV: aha
Orthaevelve: You don't need to beg, Sangi, I will gladly share it
Sanguinarius: :D
sarasvati: VvMistressLeolavV: I consider the "twoofing" the more mental effects, the irritability, aggitation, anxiety etc. "beast" more the physical dry-mouth, pain, etc.
* Sanguinarius makes a note for usage
Orthaevelve: Sarasvati, I get a very extreme form of the Beast whenever hungry.
VvMistressLeolavV: @Saras that's kinda what I was thinking as well.
melkia: no i know what u r saying but its the smell of bloos sets me off
melkia: its not that i try to
Duvessa: melkia, some schools of thought believe that blood and psi are two sources for the same thing so it would make sense if you believed in that
Duvessa: there are also hybrids
Orthaevelve: I wish I could psi feed. I cannot feed on energy, it is like trying to eat mist.
melkia: well i belive that blood just carrys the psi or core energys and is just a machanic for psi or core
Orthaevelve: The smell bothers me a bit, as does the sight.
Sanguinarius: It seems I can sometimes absorb psi, but it's not the same as feeding, as blood
DF2009: brb
sarasvati: I used to be bothered by the smell and had to work for it... but now I am up to my elbows in it three times a wekk, so had to buckle down :P
Sanguinarius: it doesn't satify hunger like blood does
RoxxAnn: i don't need as much blood building. i need the oxygenation and the regular cleaning.
SphynxCatVP: no it doesn't
* Sanguinarius doesn't want to sound melodramatic here...
Orthaevelve: For me, I can enjoy the feel of certain energies but I cannot absorb them
melkia: i would like to try blood but i have no safe donor
melkia: to see if it is stronger energy source
RoxxAnn: @ortha, what bothers you? blood?
RoxxAnn: some people's blood smells bad to me
lady_aliana274: you want to get right to the nuts and bolts of energy. go right to the source. drink blood. sanguine. if you want to work for it and feed maybe for a bit longer and harder to get what you need go psy. maybe? did I say that right??
Orthaevelve: The scent of blood tweaks my hunger a bit, much worse if I am hungry
KrevZabijak: <-- Is not quite convinced I feed from energy on blood.
Orthaevelve: Melkia, I am one of the few sangs I know who drinks fresh animal blood
Orthaevelve: Other than my friends Nightwind and Jackal in Georgia
Isealdor: um...safety 101, animals carry many diseases and bacteria, etc, that may not make them sick, but can make humans incredibly sick
RoxxAnn: @ melkia, how do you feed? psi?
lady_aliana274: i have a hard time with words..
lady_aliana274: lol
Sanguinarius: Orthaevelve, is there any difference between fresh animal blood and fresh human blood?
Duvessa: lady_aliana274, i think it depends on the person. some people can deal with psi better then blood and some it's the other way
Orthaevelve: Isealdor, I know. Tularemia etc
fallen02: necr0 drops on animals as large as caribou from the trees with a knife
Orthaevelve: depends. Any blood is dangerous, but to me a well raised animal tastes better
Sanguinarius: that's goth that des that
fallen02: oh
fallen02: lol
melkia: i think its called ambiant feeding
Sanguinarius: des = does
lady_aliana274: @duvessa thats true
RoxxAnn: I am soothed by feeding, if i can, i prefer to be soothed rather than energized
Sanguinarius: heya Evtastic2
Orthaevelve: Drain it into a shot glass Zyd
melkia: i feel like anbuant feeding is not meeting my quete of energy needs
melkia: but
VvMistressLeolavV: It was a long long time ago...before you were born
melkia: i dont want to break the veil
hirudo: I consider the Beast to be full on vampire mode for my body- the tightness around the underside of the diaphragm, the screaming need to feed constantly going through my head,etc, it makes for a more primal predatorial mindset at the time. Whilst I was wasn't feeding it used to come on once every couple of months but would last a day or two.
RoxxAnn: my little cat Succubus is taking her snack break too
Orthaevelve: Nice name for a cat
BloodCat: you have a cat named succubus?
lady_aliana274: @ mistress... yea i get made fun of because of it..I know every word..
Sanguinarius: she
RoxxAnn: Sucky for short
BloodCat: err, lol... 'phlebotomist' i read as 'phlegmotoligst'
BloodCat: you study PHLEGM!
Sanguinarius: :}
SphynxCatVP: ROFL
Orthaevelve: umm. Wow. Ick
VvMistressLeolavV: I couldn't remember how to spell it so I wrote 'draws blood'
melkia: whats a phlebotmist
melkia: ?
BloodCat: lol
SphynxCatVP: melkia, phlebotomist is a person who does blood draws
melkia: i dont know what to do should i dont want to break the vail but i need more energy
Sanguinarius: Does anybody have any vampire-related questions or anything you want to talk about in particular?
melkia: its geting worse becuse i am working out now
VvMistressLeolavV: anyone know the quickest way to get rid of a migraine? Other than blood lol?
SphynxCatVP: excedrin, sunglasses, and a dark room
Sanguinarius: VvMistressLeolavV maybe Alleve?
SphynxCatVP: not necessarily in that order
Kroh: a nap
Orthaevelve: Leolav, try using an herb ccalled feverfew in tea
lady_aliana274: I would really love to see a 24/7 phone line set up for newly awakened vampires...
VvMistressLeolavV: truly appreciate it....really
Orthaevelve: If it is safe to use with any medications you take
Sanguinarius: or if you can get some morphine and something for nausea (usually at the ER
SphynxCatVP: feverfew I think has to be a continuous thing, not an as-needed
BloodCat: kinda, though right now it's chaotic
Orthaevelve: It is both, sphynx. You can take it regularly as a preventative and as a sudden reliever
RoxxAnn: alleve makes me sick
Zyd: if you have a migraine staring at a computer screen probably isn't helping
BloodCat: my brain is overheating trying to comprehend it
VvMistressLeolavV: @Zyd I know.....I do it all day at work too :(
RoxxAnn: lemon water can help with migraine.
melkia: i thought about giveing my number 2 1 or 2 ppl in here sangi and SC but lol i don't know i am shy LOL
Isealdor: For those of you who sang feed...can/do you psi feed to help suppliment/stave off hunger, etc, and if so, how effective or not is it for you?
RoxxAnn: yes, feverfew works great to keep migraines away
RoxxAnn: zofran for nausea
Orthaevelve: The German H council recommends Feverfew as a supportive therapy for migraines
Zyd: yes we should all take lsd for headaches
RKCoon: psi,for me, is barely a stopgap. its a feel good ish for a night - or more often a tease.\
Zyd: that's a great idea
Sanguinarius: BloodCat, what did we miss?
hirudo: Mistress- I usually try two ibuprofen with one co-codamol for the painkilling and anti-inflammatory. Otherwise sleeping in the dark.
Orthaevelve: Or candied ginger for nausea
VvMistressLeolavV: @Orth thank you I'm going to look into that
BloodCat: @Mistress meh, talking for a reason, i am. being heard by the crowd, i doubt.
VvMistressLeolavV: :P
BloodCat: y'all missed nothing of moderate importance
Orthaevelve: Leolav, no problem
sarasvati: I can't psi feed worth crap. Hubby says he can push energy toward/into me... but I don't get anything other than grumpy because I don't feel better
* BloodCat chuckles
RoxxAnn: cat is done with snack. she would give me real blood. i just gave her raw yogurt, raw pasture raised eggs, unheated honey
Adevarat: Isealdor...I am a hybrid. I do both. Psi mostly because of availability but it isnt as powerful as sang feeding
BloodCat: isealdor spoke?
BloodCat: oh , i see
SphynxCatVP: Psi feeding isn't anywhere near as effetive as blood feeding for me
RoxxAnn: Yes, Germany did many tests and proved feverfew
Isealdor: For those of you who sang feed...can/do you psi feed to help suppliment/stave off hunger, etc, and if so, how effective or not is it for you?
BloodCat: @SphynxCatVP exactly
melkia: is deep feeding breaking the vail ?
VvMistressLeolavV: @Isealdor I can psi feed not sure if anyone saw this earlier but for me it's like giving a diabetic a candy bar when they really need insulin
SphynxCatVP: the who wa huh?
Sanguinarius: it's not very effective, and the effect is different than the effect for blood feeding.
Isealdor: @Adevarat do you find you have to feed sang less often when you regularly psi, or does it not make much difference?
RoxxAnn: i need to sleep in the dark, but partner almost always puts light on and turns up radio. i wake up heart pounding headache
Orthaevelve: Sangi, I can't psi feed at all
VvMistressLeolavV: @melkia what vail?
BloodCat: i feed psi, it's a hope, but failes every time
melkia: the black vail
Isealdor: @VvMistressLeolavV makes it worse for you, then?
melkia: u know
RoxxAnn: i want to start sleeping in the basement
VvMistressLeolavV: @Roxxann---that would be nice and cool
Orthaevelve: Oh that thing
BloodCat: meh, melkia
VvMistressLeolavV: @Isealdor yes very much
SphynxCatVP: RoxxAnn, you might want to investigate a sleeping mask
BloodCat: the code is merely guidelines
SphynxCatVP: it would at least eliminate the light from when your partner turns it on
Orthaevelve: I second your Meh Bloodcat
Adevarat: I have to feed less sang but the urge is still there. The psi helps me cope better. But sometimes the beast is too much and I must sang feed
Sanguinarius: When I am pretty sure I AM psi feeding, it's just gives me a more alive (like, less asleep somehow, feeling. Not sure how to explain Blood feeding, gives me energy and a good feeling
Isealdor: @VvMistressLeolavV just makes the cravings worse...or makes you have to actually sang feed more often to keep the same equalibrium?
RoxxAnn: deep feeding? @ melkia, what's that?
RoxxAnn: brb
BloodCat: holy crap could you people type slower
hirudo: Isealdor-Hit and miss with psi-feeding from a distance. Very good with intimate contact,but even then it barely lasts even 24 hours.I don't bother psi-feeding as a result. I am a fairly proficient energy worker though.
Sanguinarius: the blood feeding gives me a kind of euphoria and rush
SphynxCatVP: melkia, No
lady_aliana274: @ isealldor i can when I am around a large crowd of mundanes like in a night club .. but prefer blood.
Orthaevelve: Same here sangi. Pupils dialate, blood pressure goes down, skin flushes, etc
melkia: deep feeding is when u go deeper into the energy field and feed
VvMistressLeolavV: @Isealdor It's hard to say as I go for so long between blood feedings. Psi feeds are like a sugar rush with an awful crash
Sanguinarius: BloodCat I'm having trouble keeping up too
VvMistressLeolavV: *nods at Sang
lady_aliana274: @ bloodcat.... they are rocket typists......hee hee
BloodCat: i should turn on speech dictation
lady_aliana274: 3...2.... 1.... type
Adevarat: and to be clear...I only psi feed off of my man because he lets me and elemental. I do not take from unsuspecting people or animals
Isealdor: @hirudo out of curiosity, do you consider yourself to be feeding off of the metaphysical (energyworking sense energy in the blood, or something else?
Sanguinarius: Igotta get up and move around a little bit...bbiab
Adevarat: hb
BloodCat: breain not working
VvMistressLeolavV: brb need a cig
BloodCat: that was a cool typo
Adevarat: lol
SphynxCatVP: melkia, the black veil is social guidelines
Isealdor: @VvMistressLeolavV interesting...go for so long out of resource lack, I assume?
Orthaevelve: My brain is misfiring from the smelly candles my rommmate pulled out
Hank_Riker: Well, you get a bunch of folks who can speed type all chatting at once, and yeah, the screen suddenly starts scrolling like mad.
* melkia massages blood cats brain
* Isealdor didnt think convo was going that fast...* what program do you use, BC?
SphynxCatVP: Isealdor, not everyone READS fast either
BloodCat: However, it is a whole lot easier than actually using lazy little fingers to push those tiny buttons on the Keebler press answer and Anna, just think about it! I can update my twitter really, really fast indeed very, very annoying press enter
Isealdor: @SphynxCatVP true :P
lady_aliana274: I have been looking forward to this all week... (smile
Zyd: aww of course i am advocaat
Adevarat: :D
melkia: ya i have to re read the convo i dont wanna miss anything :(
Zyd: i wondered where you had been for so long
Orthaevelve: It's a good chance to talk about this sort of thing, but I prefer to stay to my self for the most part. my opinions are rather contrary to general community consensus on several isuues
Adevarat: I was just happy to get mirc back on the pc
Zyd: xchat is nicer than mirc
BloodCat: if a conversation comes up i might enjoy PM me
Adevarat: is it?
Duvessa: i agree i like xchat though is till don't know how to do some things with it
Isealdor: @Orthaevelve personally, I'd say often it's the people who have the views contrary to the common consensus who are needed the most as far as speaking up goes
Adevarat: heya
Orthaevelve: Thank you Isealdor, but it gets a bit exhausting to always be the odd one out
melkia: i hear that orth
Adevarat: I am always an oddball but I relish not being conformed to a certain mold
Isealdor: @Orthaevelve true, tough place to be in, just also a needed one
hirudo: Isealdor-I am of the opinion that the blood feeding=deep core energy feeding is the nearest explanation to what's happening. I used to fall into the camp that believed that sangs needed something physical in the blood, but my experience over the years (and Occam's Razordoes not support that.
Orthaevelve: Perhaps so Hirudo, but my experience is that I simply cannot feed in any way save sang
melkia: sphynx is there a method on your site for safe core feeding so i dont hurt the peron?
* Hank_Riker chuckles
SphynxCatVP: melkia, take a look here: http://sphynxcatvp.nocturna.org/suppt/psivamp.html
Isealdor: @hirudo I'm in a similar boat. I'm at the point where unless I see some sort of evidence showing there is a purely physical component in the blood, I tend toward that it is more energy-related...though that some can only process energy from specific sources/forms, etc
Orthaevelve: I respect your opinions, Isealdor and Hirudo, but I will simply agree to disagree
BloodCat: i see ise's view and second it
BloodCat: from what i heare there is a small feud from between sangs and psis about the energy vs physical componene in blood
Isealdor: @Orthaevelve works for me. What is your opinion, though? I think I missed it earlier, if it was stated
KrevZabijak: What did I miss?
hirudo: Ortha- Psi-feeding and sang feeding isn't the same. Although we say they're both energy feeding they are not from the same.....level of source,so to speak, hence why psi-feeding for sangs is so very unsatifying.
Sanguinarius: but then how do you explain that blood feeding is different from, and has different effects than, psi/chi feeding?
Orthaevelve: I do not have a personal hypothesis. Simply my own experience that at least primary sangs who do not feed on blood tend not to ever have their hunger sated by energy
Sanguinarius: Greetings and salutations lady_aliana
BloodCat: different energies mayhaps, sangi?
Adevarat: I dont feud with anyone over it because I am not a scientist. I think to each his own. We all have a right to our opinion on what is gained from diff feedings
BloodCat: i'm neuteral on the matter, i just know it works, that's all i need to know
BloodCat: (mathemetician i am... the formulas work, just do it.
Isealdor: @Orthaevelve I'm not seeing how our perspectives conflict
Orthaevelve: I suppose I do not see blood as an energy source, per se
Orthaevelve: More simply a supplement to the sang diet
VvMistressLeolavV: @ Orth then what would the point of needing it be?
Orthaevelve: Needing which, precisely Leolav
VvMistressLeolavV: @Orth forgive me but what?
lady_aliana: drinking blood from another human is something not to be taken lightly of course. you have to realize that you will be in tune with that person in such an amazing bond.
Orthaevelve: Basically I see blood as a dietary supplement, not a source of any kind of psychic energy
Isealdor: @Orthaevelve what in the blood is needed, then, that isnt found elsewhere?
VvMistressLeolavV: <--wishes she could drink without that bond
Sanguinarius: sometimes you don't want to get into a bond with the person *sighs*
SphynxCatVP: Isealdor, we don't know yet
Orthaevelve: I have no idea, Isealdor
Adevarat: has anyone had their donor become WAY to attached to them?
Sanguinarius: yes
Orthaevelve: OOOh yes Adevarat
VvMistressLeolavV: or has anyone become way too attached to their donor?
Adevarat: omg me too ..in the 90s I got stalked by the creep
Sanguinarius: that too
VvMistressLeolavV: *lets out a deep sigh
BloodCat: nope, never became the slightest bit attached to my donor :P
Orthaevelve: Leolav, that is why when I do use donors, I use Otherkin or strong people
Irony: I guess you ask a lot of someone when you take their blood and then expect them to walk away without feeling something of a bond.
Adevarat: not unless the donor was my SO at the time
BloodCat: cause... i never had a donor :P
VvMistressLeolavV: @Orth my donor was a therian
Sanguinarius: some of us are beggars and therefore can't be choosers
Orthaevelve: Otherkin and magic users heal more quickly
Isealdor: that's where I get caught up with the /purely/ physical explanation...suppliments to diets are needed because there is something needed in the suppliment. Until I'm shown research that has found what that element needed that's found in blood is (and pretty much only in blood, I currently take the stance that an energy-related explanation makes more sense
BloodCat: lol, well put sangi
melkia: orth
melkia: not true
melkia: i believe
Orthaevelve: Again, just my experience
melkia: i am a demon kin
VvMistressLeolavV: Bloodcat are you a sang?
melkia: and i heal slow
BloodCat: yus'm
SphynxCatVP: what sort of energy would be only accessible via blood though? and not by other means?
Sanguinarius: well, if it does, then why the same hell can't we feed psychically or when we do, why's it different?
BloodCat: orth, i'm feline-kin and i've yet to fully heal
VvMistressLeolavV: *nods how do you feed without a donor? If I can ask
BloodCat: that's the problem, mistress.
Orthaevelve: Ah, bloodcat, that's interesing
Fooln: my last donor fell in love with me and couldn't keep her hands where they should be. i had to distance myself from her, she couldn't respect limits..
Isealdor: SphynxCatVP: that's why I say some may only be able to process or find energy effective when in a specific form (the form being part of what source it comes from, often
Orthaevelve: Oh hell no, feeding off Tieflings and angelkin will screw up your head
Adevarat: to my knowledge, unless someone has porphoria, which is rare, then so far nothing scientific has been proved by needing blood. Which leads me to believe it is energy. That being said, this is MY opinion
BloodCat: agreed and seconded
VvMistressLeolavV: @Orth Tieflings?
gset: @spyhnx: if general energy is stored in everything, the blood flowing through the body could pick it up concievably
Sanguinarius: what's a Tiefling?
Orthaevelve: demonkin Leolav
VvMistressLeolavV: aha!
VvMistressLeolavV: (Please call me Leola all
Isealdor: As stated before, I find blood more effective than psi feeding, too not arguing that one might have one source that works better than others, or that there are sources that might not work for some at all
Orthaevelve: old dungeons and dragons term, sorry. I hereby wave my gamer geek card
VvMistressLeolavV: @Isealdor which sources are you reffering to? Like subs?
* ThunderSqueak lays back and lays down after a very long day with too much drama
hirudo: Sphynxcat-From what I can assertain there is a natural defense around whatever the deep core energy is. Blood seems to be a natural conductive element to access it. Bah, I'm not explaining myself very well in chat :(
VvMistressLeolavV: @hirudo well spoken actually...or typed
* SphynxCatVP thinks some vamps ought to start ranching cattle :P
DF2009: Hirudo: I'd like to postulate, that perhaps it's not so much a barrier or defense as it is a natural ability or inability to access it via various means.
Hank_Riker: Tetra packed moo blood to go!
Orthaevelve: Hmm. Cold blood sounds icky
Sanguinarius: not if yer desperate enough
BloodCat: actually, there was an article on storing blood frozen
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Orthaevelve: The one where they postulated adding glucose to the blood/
SphynxCatVP: yea, frozen storage here: http://sphynxcatvp.nocturna.org/articles/ladycg-bloodstorage.html
Isealdor: @VvMistressLeolavV by "source" I mean any source a vampire feeds from, be that blood, other fluids, psi/elemental/sexual energy, etc
VvMistressLeolavV: @Isealdor aha..ty
Orthaevelve: If so, that would probably work. One additive used to store blood for transfusion is acid citrate dextrose. Dextrose is a bit similar to glucose
hirudo: Mistress-I've mentioned to a few people in the VC in the past that I started on a writing up a theory many years ago. It explained it alot better but I never finished it.It's currently sitting in a very thick research folder in a box of books,unloved
SphynxCatVP: Adevarat > Bring some european recipies with you for stuff like blood sausage and blood pancakes
Hank_Riker: http://www.tetrapak.com/ - Heh
Isealdor: @Adevarat say you want to make blood pudding
Zyd: tell the butcher you are feeding your dog a raw diet and need blood
Zyd: i mean there are lots of ways to get around it
Zyd: i get my dogs raw organic bison blood
Zyd: the butcher never looks at me oddly
SphynxCatVP: Oh awesome, Zyd, thanks for the tip!
Zyd: it's human food grade
Hank_Riker: There are a lot of human recipes for blood...
Zyd: why wouldn't it be?
hirudo: Mistress-Lol, everyone says that, but I'm really crap and still haven't touch it.
Zyd: it's my butcher, it's the blood from slaughter the bison steaks i eat
Isealdor: just saying in general, not from your butcher in specific, Zyd
RoxxAnn: sometimes animal products have to be labeled for pet use, for legal reasons. does not mean the food is dirty
RoxxAnn: i hear goji berry is a night shade, for those with arthritis
Adevarat: I take aloe caps...it helps the digestive problems some
vVMistressLeolaVv: Was that brought up before about how many of us have stomach issues?
Adevarat: nope capsules
Adevarat: yes leola
vVMistressLeolaVv: *nods and adds it to her growing list
lady_aliana: <--- has learned a lot 2 night about how to stay healthy.. lost 9 pounds..
RoxxAnn: drink/eat fresh aloe, helps more than caps
Adevarat: I take powdered ginger root caps. I love those
Sanguinarius: aloe is good for sunburn too
Adevarat: yeah I used it for sunburn as a kid
Orthaevelve: I like candied ginger
SphynxCatVP: Yes, goji berries/wolfberries are nightshades
Sanguinarius: cut off the tip of the leave, then split it and rub the juice on the sunburn
vVMistressLeolaVv: ginger is also good for naseau
Adevarat: I also take cayenne caps. Helps for heart issues
lady_aliana: @leola I do not know much about antioxidents and such.. I never really knew that vitamins were kind of good source of what we would need. I am trying to become more healthy
vVMistressLeolaVv: <--can't spell past 9pm
Adevarat: when my heart starts spazzing I pop a cap and it settles down within about 10 min
vVMistressLeolaVv: @lady a *nod nod nod*
Sanguinarius: talk to SphynxCatVP!
Adevarat: I need her vitamin list
Orthaevelve: It works really well
SphynxCatVP: Gimme an email, I'll pass it on
vVMistressLeolaVv: @Sphynx do you have a list of vitamins you take?
SphynxCatVP: yes I do
SphynxCatVP: send me your email I'll pass it on
vVMistressLeolaVv: Can I PM you it?
Orthaevelve: I need a happy plant to feed my cat. Come on, Sangi, share please
SphynxCatVP: soitenly
* Adevarat is glad hubby works in family pharmacy...all vitamins are free
Hank_Riker: Yes, go ahead and PM her it. She's working in another window.
Hank_Riker: Oop. There she is.
sp00ky: I swear i read do you have a list of Victims that you take.
Sanguinarius: freudian slip
* Hank_Riker laughs
vVMistressLeolaVv: LOL
Adevarat: wow it got quiet in here compared to earlier
hirudo: It was hard to keep up earlier!
Adevarat: yeah I know
SphynxCatVP: ---- ANYONE ELSE WANT MY VITAMIN REGIMEN LIST? ----
SphynxCatVP: --- IF SO, PM ME WITH YOUR EMAIL ----
* Sanguinarius has been trying to eat more fresh things lately
* Adevarat too...havent touched fast food in 2 1/2 weeks
Hank_Riker: Fast food? Based on running speed?
* SphynxCatVP has found it's just AMAZING how healthy eating can be when eliminating things like fructose
Sanguinarius: lol
Adevarat: I really enjoyed this. I dont get to discuss these issues often and I find it refreshing to discuss and get things off my chest